Nothing like taking the news to heart about what the bans have done to OTHER business's. They still want to do this 'on their own.' Well, good luck to all the poor business owners over there. If they think their economy is bad now, just wait!
Posted on 11/15/2004 7:43:51 PM PST by mondoman
Smoking could be banned in every cafe, restaurant and most pubs in England within a few years under plans being unveiled by the government on Tuesday.
BBC News has learned the White Paper on Public Health will plan to make most enclosed public areas, including offices and factories, smoke-free.
Only private clubs, where members voted to allow smoking, and pubs which do not serve prepared food would be exempt.
The plans mean that up to 90% of bars could be smoke-free within a few years.
BBC correspondents say the proposals go further than had been expected.
But some opponents of smoking are disappointed that they stop short of an outright ban, while pro-smokers have attacked "an attempt to demonise smokers".
Expected public health reforms
Smoking to be banned in restaurants and offices, but only restricted in pubs
Ban on junk food advertising before 9pm
Traffic light coding for supermarket food
Improved access to sexual health clinics
Clearer labelling on alcohol
Access to 'personal lifestyle gurus' on the NHS
The Scottish Executive put forward a blanket ban on smoking in enclosed public places last week, but Health Secretary John Reid will not go that far in the proposals for England.
Smoking will still be allowed in pubs which limit their food sales to snacks such as crisps, rather than prepared meals.
However, BBC Home Editor Mark Easton said the plans went much further than predicted as ministers had been thinking about voluntary bans.
He said it could be two or three years before a ban came into effect, although government buildings such as hospitals and schools might bring one in sooner.
There would also have to be wide consultation, including with the catering and pro-smoking lobby, he said.
The White Paper will also cover obesity, drinking and sexual and mental health.
In the foreword, the government will say it wants to create an environment in which people are encouraged to adopt healthy lifestyles.
But the white paper will say it is not the role of government to force people to become healthy.
A Department of Health spokesman said: "The principle of the white paper is to inform choice.
"People want to be able to make their own decisions but they want credible information."
The paper was drawn up after one of the largest public consultations, involving 150,000 people, over the summer.
The Department of Health received more than 1,000 submissions from individuals alone - unheard of for a white paper.
Among other plans are a ban on junk food advertising before 9pm on TV to protect children and a "traffic light" system showing shoppers how healthy the food they are buying is.
High fat foods would be labelled red, while healthy foods would get a green sticker.
But it would be up to supermarkets to decide whether to introduce the system. Some are already drawing up their own codes.
The reforms do not impress some campaigners, who had called for more radical measures.
The British Medical Association (BMA), which wants a complete ban on alcohol advertising and smoking in public places, welcomed the traffic light coding proposals.
But Dr Vivienne Nathanson, head of science and ethics at the BMA, was disappointed not to see a total ban on smoking in enclosed public places.
We support further restrictions but we vehemently oppose what has become a systematic attempt to demonise smokers Simon Clark, pro-smokers' group Forest
"If this is the case, he [John Reid] will be letting down every infant, child and adult in England," she said.
Deborah Arnott, of Action on Smoking and Health (Ash), said the proposals might be unworkable.
"We know from Ireland that what makes a ban work is to have a simple, level playing field where you can't smoke in any workplaces."
Pro-smoking campaigners said businesses should be allowed to choose the policy that best suited their staff and customers.
Forest director Simon Clark said most people would be happy with more no-smoking areas and better ventilation.
"They do not want a complete ban on public smoking enforced by an army of tobacco control officers," he said.
"We support further restrictions but we vehemently oppose what has become a systematic attempt to demonise smokers and their perfectly legal habit."
The opposition parties were also sceptical of the impact the government's reforms will have.
Liberal Democrat health spokesman Paul Burstow said: "The test for the white paper will be whether it delivers on smoking and diet. Both require more than just warm words.
"Without a comprehensive ban on smoking in enclosed public places, staff will still be exposed to the unacceptable risk of second-hand smoke."
And Shadow Health Secretary Andrew Lansley added the junk food advertising ban would not work.
"What we need in public health are evidence-based solutions instead of talk."
In England? The regular pub goers are gonna get PISSED.
While we're at it Mummy, can we stop the boogey man from eating the jelley from me bum?
Evidently the writer gets paid by the paragraph.
It has already been done in Ireland... and in Skokie. (FYI: I live in Chicago).
In England, regular pub crawlers are ALREADY pissed.*
I thought we defeated the nazis
/sarc
from reading this post (thanks for the effort, btw), it sure seems like the british gov't wants to force people to become healthy. next move is to outlaw birth defects...
by pissed*, do you mean angry or drunk?
I didn't think it could happen there, either.
Keep repeating that until you believe it
"It can't happen here"
LOL! You guys are funny!! Where did you think the British Government got there ideas from? Its already happening in the U.S. New York banned smoking a year ago!!
drunk, that is their slang for drunk
Here we go again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nothing like taking the news to heart about what the bans have done to OTHER business's. They still want to do this 'on their own.' Well, good luck to all the poor business owners over there. If they think their economy is bad now, just wait!
The myth has morphed into "fact" by telling the lie often enough.
How about the unacceptable risk of complete government control over every aspect of our lives?
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