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Wacky California Considers by-the-Mile Driving Tax
NewsMax ^ | november 16, 2004 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 11/16/2004 11:58:34 AM PST by Kaslin

If you drive a car in California, you could soon find yourself being taxed for it.

That's because the state's Department of Motor Vehicles chief wants to tax drivers for every mile they drive.

Newly appointed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger to head up the DMV, Democrat Joan Borucki has long advocated a tax-by-the-mile scheme.

Schwarzenegger hasn't signed off on the plan, but he appointed Borucki. What does that say?

According to the L.A. Times, her scheme would require each car be fitted with a mileage tracking device that beamed a signal to a GPS satellite. A driver's tax would then be calculated based on total miles driven.

The plan would supplant the state's current means of deriving revenue from drivers – the 18-cent-a-gallon gasoline tax.

But the scheme is illustrative of the failure of the liberal-socialist welfare state mentality.

For years, liberal California environmentalists have been pressuring their Democratic allies in state government to tighten automotive emissions and gas mileage standards.

Hence, for years California residents have been penalized for wanting to drive any vehicle larger than a beer can with a motor.

Now that residents have finally responded to all this pressure and penalization by buying high-mileage, cleaner-burning vehicles, the welfare socialists in state government are afraid the current gasoline tax won't be sufficient to maintain the state's roadways.

They can't get the money from other budgetary line items because it's all earmarked for entitlements, such as paying for education, medical care and welfare benefits for the state's vast illegal alien population.

So, the end result is all of those Californians who were pressured into buying and driving tin cans will have done so for naught, as a driving tax generates revenue on miles driven, not gallons of fuel bought.

That means, as one opponent of the plan told the Times, it won't make any difference if a driver is operating a Toyota Prius hybrid or a Hummer.

There are also privacy concerns, say opponents of this scheme. A global tracking system device on your automobile will allow government snoops to monitor you wherever you drive – which may be the underlying goal of this entire plan anyway.

The liberal answer to this constitutional privacy concern is to ask, "If you're not doing anything wrong, what are you worried about?"

Never mind the fact that in America, without provocation, the government has no need or right to track you in the first place.

On another note, the air in California's major cities is smoggy and dirty, with no relief in sight, no pun intended. What's next – a tax on every breath of air?


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: mileagetax; taxes; transportation
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Is there a tax the left does not like?
1 posted on 11/16/2004 11:58:35 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
Here - tax my roll of aluminum foil, you putzes!
Can you say "faraday cage"?
2 posted on 11/16/2004 12:00:18 PM PST by grobdriver
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To: Kaslin
The plan would supplant the state's current means of deriving revenue from drivers – the 18-cent-a-gallon gasoline tax.

Bet me.
I doubt they will repeal the gas tax if this passes.

3 posted on 11/16/2004 12:00:26 PM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Kaslin
If they really want to raise money they should tax by the minute not the mile.
4 posted on 11/16/2004 12:00:58 PM PST by ez2muz
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To: Kaslin

Is there a tax Arnold does not like?

Defeat the Hatch Amendment. I prefer Arnold
on the big screen.

MV


5 posted on 11/16/2004 12:01:37 PM PST by madvlad ((Born in the south, raised around the globe and STILL republican))
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To: Kaslin

Good, they deserve it. They keep sending Leftwing Senators who vote against ANWR and any sensible energy bill deserve to be taxed out the a$$.


6 posted on 11/16/2004 12:01:54 PM PST by faithincowboys
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To: Kaslin

Go ahead and sign off on another tax hike, Arnold. Watch business FLEE the state.


7 posted on 11/16/2004 12:02:09 PM PST by Prime Choice (STFU ACLU.)
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To: Kaslin
According to the L.A. Times, her scheme would require each car be fitted with a mileage tracking device that beamed a signal to a GPS satellite. A driver's tax would then be calculated based on total miles driven.

It's not likely that they mean that each car will be fitted with an antenna powerful enough to broadcast to a satellite. It's more probable that the plan is to include a GPS device in every car, which can determine distance travelled using the GPS satellites, then broadcast a report (probably by data over a cell phone call) to the taxing authority.

It's a common misconception that GPS satellites can track anyone - all they do is broadcast their position, and your GPS device figures out where it is by the angle of the satellites. The GPS device doesn't tell the satellites anything, though, any more than your car radio reports back to the radio station.

8 posted on 11/16/2004 12:02:32 PM PST by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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To: Kaslin

Cool! Cheap (low-tax) gas for visitors, and the Loonies get to suffer even more!


9 posted on 11/16/2004 12:02:43 PM PST by Beelzebubba (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: madvlad

I am with you...Arnold on the big screen, ONLY.


10 posted on 11/16/2004 12:02:51 PM PST by elephant
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To: Kaslin

We are losing our rights by the day


11 posted on 11/16/2004 12:03:27 PM PST by Montresor
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To: Kaslin
The liberal answer to this constitutional privacy concern is to ask, "If you're not doing anything wrong, what are you worried about?"

Of course this only applies to liberal schemes - the Patriot Act does not warrant the same argument...

12 posted on 11/16/2004 12:04:02 PM PST by trebb (Ain't God good . . .)
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To: Kaslin
My guess is Borucki owns stock in the company that would make the trackers.

-Eric

13 posted on 11/16/2004 12:05:45 PM PST by E Rocc (Four More Years - Courtesy of the Red, White, and Blue)
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To: ez2muz
If they really want to raise money they should tax by the minute not the mile - ROFLMAO - so true
14 posted on 11/16/2004 12:05:46 PM PST by SF Republican
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To: Kaslin

Everyone in So Cal knows that when we get in our car, we never go anywhere...we just sit there. Takes 1 1/2 hours of driving time to go 16 miles. I'd be all for it if they built a decent public transportation system in this stinkin' town.


15 posted on 11/16/2004 12:06:18 PM PST by sonserae
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To: Kaslin
They have already done this. It was called "Commuter Lanes", where all people paid for highways that only a few could really use.

The fact that so many people must commute is because they can't afford to live near where they must work. They must do this in order to survive the higher cost of living. So now they want to add another tax on these same people?

16 posted on 11/16/2004 12:06:36 PM PST by TommyDale
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To: Kaslin
That means, as one opponent of the plan told the Times, it won't make any difference if a driver is operating a Toyota Prius hybrid or a Hummer.

If the state does bring a "driving tax" that is monitored by GPS, don't believe for a minute that they won't penalize drivers of heavier vehicles. They'll simply tie the GPS tracking ID to the registered vehicle and bingo they know what kind of car you have and can charge more per mile because the vehicle is heavier.

If they don't do it at first, give it some time. Money hungry socialists don't know when to stop.

17 posted on 11/16/2004 12:06:39 PM PST by American_Centurion (I am the martyrs' bane.)
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To: Kaslin
The plan would supplant the state's current means of deriving revenue from drivers – the 18-cent-a-gallon gasoline tax.

Don't they mean supplement? Does anybody believe the commissars of the PRK will really give up the income from the gas tax?
18 posted on 11/16/2004 12:06:49 PM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: Kaslin
I pay gas tax on a per-gallon basis. I drive more miles, I buy more gas, I pay more tax. Ergo, I'm already being taxed by the mile.

Further, if I drive an SUV or other gas guzzler I AM PAYING MORE TAX PER MILE than drivers of sedans or of more fuel-efficient vehicles.

So how would this new plan be an improvement? Let me guess:

1. The "tax per mile" would be higher, on average, than the current gas tax is.

2. The penalty-per-mile for driving an SUV would no doubt be higher than it is under the current tax-per-gallon scheme.

And one question: How would out-of-staters be taxed? Their cars won't be equipped with the devices. Nor would trucks from Mexico.

19 posted on 11/16/2004 12:07:54 PM PST by Earl B.
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To: SedVictaCatoni

Actually, can't they get the milage from the onboard diagnostics. Just download the milage when they do the emission testing.


20 posted on 11/16/2004 12:08:27 PM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: Kaslin
Why don't we tax illegal, uh, undocumented, aliens? Why don't we have two prices on all items for sale in CA? If you can prove residency or tourist status, you get it for half of what illegal aliens would pay.

They'd start thinking twice about coming to this land of milk and money.

21 posted on 11/16/2004 12:08:30 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Kaslin

We're already taxed for driving...it's called the "gasoline tax."


22 posted on 11/16/2004 12:10:33 PM PST by My2Cents ("The bombing begins in five minutes...")
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To: Kaslin
Is there a tax the left does not like?

A tax on abortion procedures.

23 posted on 11/16/2004 12:10:42 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Kaslin

AS A CALIFORNIA RESIDENT I HAVE A FEW WORDS
IS THE FREAKIN PERSON NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO COMMUTE TO WORK THE SERVICES LIKE BUS, RAIL, BART SUCK BIG TIME. IT WOULD TAKE ME 3 HOURS TO GET TO WORK EACH WAY I HAVE MORE TO MY LIFE THAN DRIVING. CALIFORNIA WACKY LIBERALS WILL CONTINUE TO DRIVE THE HARD EARNING TAX PAYERS OUT OF THE STATE BECAUSE THEY WANT TAX RELIEF THAN THEY WILL BE LEFT WITH THE LIKES OF HOLLYWOOD AND ILLEGALS SO HOPE THEY ENJOY FLIPPING THE BILL FOR ALL THE WELFARE THAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN CALIFORNIA BECOMES A 3RD WORLD STATE AND TO THINK PEOPLE STILL WANT TO COME TO THIS CRAZY STATE AS I AM TRYING TO GET THE H**l OUT!!!!!!!!!MY COUNTY ALREADY PAYS THE HIGHEST SALES TAX IN THE STATE DUE TO A BALLOT MEASURE FOR HEALTH CARE THANK YOU CALIFORNIA YOU A A NUTTY STATE


24 posted on 11/16/2004 12:10:54 PM PST by RightWingBev
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To: Kaslin

It would never stand. Murdock V. Pennsylvania, 319 US 105.

"A state may not impose a charge for the enjoyment of a right granted by the federal constitution."


25 posted on 11/16/2004 12:11:10 PM PST by djf
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To: Izzy Dunne

By the mile might have made sense if done form the beginning, but old taxes never go away, just get added to.


26 posted on 11/16/2004 12:12:24 PM PST by js1138 (D*mn, I Missed!)
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To: madvlad

I agree...I prefer Arnold on the big screen, but it's a bit premature to accuse Arnold of supporting this tax-by-the-mile scheme.


27 posted on 11/16/2004 12:12:32 PM PST by My2Cents ("The bombing begins in five minutes...")
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To: Kaslin

I like the by-the-mile idea, but it's so impractical


28 posted on 11/16/2004 12:12:33 PM PST by Libertarian4Bush (DECISION 2004: IT'S THE SPITBALLS, STUPID)
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To: RightWingBev

I can see the next tax after this one.

Leaving the state tax.


29 posted on 11/16/2004 12:12:53 PM PST by Veloxherc (To go up pull back, to go down pull back all the way.)
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To: Kaslin
"Is there a tax the left does not like?"

Yes. They absolutely refuse to tax abortions.

30 posted on 11/16/2004 12:13:01 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Kaslin

This is iditoic. If they need more money (which I doubt), then the "fair" solution is to just raise the gasoline tax. No extra infrastructure needed, and it appropriately charges heavier vehicles more (in general, they have worse mileage and inflict more wear on roads). The *only* "advantage" of a mileage tax is to be able to track everyone's movements. Imagine how leftists in CA would react had Ashcroft proposed this...


31 posted on 11/16/2004 12:13:15 PM PST by ThinkDifferent (A plan is not a litany of complaints)
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To: Little Ray
Just download the milage when they do the emission testing.

New cars are not subject to the smog test the first 3 or 4 years.

32 posted on 11/16/2004 12:18:22 PM PST by itsahoot (Sometimes the truth hurts, sometimes it makes a difference, but not often.)
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To: Kaslin
fermenting in some think tank somewhere are plans for implantable biomonitors that estimate consumption of things like CO2 and debit your checking account in real time your "prorated share of the cost." May it never be so!
33 posted on 11/16/2004 12:18:48 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (if a man lives long enough, he gets to see the same thing over and over.)
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To: Kaslin

This would just be a tax on those who don't understand science and the "nuances" of altering satellite feeds.


34 posted on 11/16/2004 12:19:05 PM PST by politicket
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To: faithincowboys
You're not thinking. Let Kalifornia enact this and it will migrate to all points east! And NW too.
35 posted on 11/16/2004 12:20:14 PM PST by bigfootbob
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To: Little Ray
Your idea, is to simple and logical to even be considered by government operatives. Just think of all the advantages of a GPS system installed in every car:

Higher car costs, will lead to fewer cars
Ability to track all of those who drive excessively and penalize them further.
GPS makers stocks will increase.
Government bureaucrats will need additional workers to monitor all of the GPS tracking of all vehicles.
Increased membership of government worker's will provide additional members for the Democrats.

36 posted on 11/16/2004 12:20:15 PM PST by Michael.SF. (Well, Kerry did win the exit polls.)
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To: Kaslin
Aren't there also First Amendment issues here? Don't I have the "right" to peaceably assemble? Isn't taxing my ability to assemble infringing on that right?

-PJ

37 posted on 11/16/2004 12:20:21 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: Kaslin

What the h*ll are this libs doing to my home-state!?!?!?


38 posted on 11/16/2004 12:21:50 PM PST by MahaMarty (Election Night! Enter Right! Take my hand!!! Off to Ronald Reagan Land!!!)
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To: bigfootbob

Actually, Oregon has already considered this idea.


39 posted on 11/16/2004 12:22:00 PM PST by Michael.SF. (Well, Kerry did win the exit polls.)
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To: Kaslin
A global tracking system device on your automobile will allow government snoops to monitor you wherever you drive – which may be the underlying goal of this entire plan anyway.

This all fits in with the current Stalinist push to herd people into high density housing on rail lines(smart growth), control freedom of mobility with traffic calming and toll roads(only counties implmenting smart growth policies will get transporation funds), and control private lands through conservancies (Sierra Nevada conservancy, Gaviota, viewsheds and scenic roadway easements.

California better wake up pretty quick!
41 posted on 11/16/2004 12:23:08 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Kaslin; StoneColdGOP
her scheme would require each car be fitted with a mileage tracking device that beamed a signal to a GPS satellite.

Because big brother ain't quite big enough.

42 posted on 11/16/2004 12:23:20 PM PST by Bella_Bru (Proud member of La Kosher Nostra and the IZC)
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To: bigfootbob

It should migrate to all the states where the Representatives are kooky, anti-american, anti-nat'l security liberals. The people of those states need to experience the consequences of their votes.


43 posted on 11/16/2004 12:23:43 PM PST by faithincowboys
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To: Michael.SF.

So has Washington!


44 posted on 11/16/2004 12:23:49 PM PST by bigfootbob
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To: faithincowboys

Then you'd better get used to it, Florida hasn't been the benchmark of conservatism lately.


45 posted on 11/16/2004 12:26:01 PM PST by bigfootbob
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To: Kaslin

Wee! More taxes.

This state stinks.


46 posted on 11/16/2004 12:26:58 PM PST by Betis70 (I'm only Left Wing when I play hockey)
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To: Kaslin
Of course, in order to bill this tax the State will have to know where you are at all times.
47 posted on 11/16/2004 12:29:36 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by politics.)
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To: bigfootbob

Hey we just sent a Conservative to the Senate. And we have a conservative Governor and a conservative state legislature. We also gave W 27 much needed electoral votes. Much more than CA managed to do. I am willing to be taxed half as much as you are-- since I have only one POS Leftwing Senator.


48 posted on 11/16/2004 12:30:56 PM PST by faithincowboys
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To: Kaslin
I guess I will have to use the company exclusively and leave my car in the garage. Tying this to the car is ridiculous.

If my car gets stolen, then I get taxed for the miles driven by the thieves. Yeah, that makes sense.

49 posted on 11/16/2004 12:31:40 PM PST by w1andsodidwe
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To: Kaslin
So, if I drive my Yugo from San Francisco to NY to visit my ailiing mother, I get to pay Kalifornia tax and all the other taxes in between - not just the Kalifonia mileage one, right.

Isn't this double taxation?

50 posted on 11/16/2004 12:33:04 PM PST by Gritty ("Once citizens are junkies for government crack, it's very hard to wean them off it-Mark Steyn)
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