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Smoking ban eyed for bars and pubs
AP ^ | November 17, 2004 | Beth Gardiner

Posted on 11/16/2004 10:09:16 PM PST by Former Military Chick

LONDON — Four hundred years after King James I denounced tobacco as "loathsome to the eye, hateful to the nose, harmful to the brain, dangerous to the lungs," the British government is taking heed. It announced plans yesterday to ban smoking in most public places, including restaurants and any pub that serves food.

Anti-smoking activists welcomed the proposal, which would apply only to England, but criticized Health Secretary John Reid for letting smokers continue lighting up in some pubs and bars.

Still, it is a big step for a country that has had a long love-hate affair with tobacco. Britain's smoky pubs are at the heart of the nation's social life, and the trend in recent years toward "gastropubs" that serve meals as well as booze means the proposed ban will affect many drinking establishments.

Mr. Reid said only 20 percent of pubs and bars would be exempt from the ban because they serve no food. Private social clubs are also exempt.

If approved by Parliament, the ban would be phased in over four years, affecting pubs last, by the end of 2008.

"I think it's great and hopefully it will help me quit," said Dawn Benstead, who was smoking a cigarette in London's Covent Garden neighborhood.

At the Lamb and Flag pub nearby, though, smoker Steven Thomas predicted a ban would turn many voters against the government. "I think a lot of people are sick of the nanny state," he said.

As part of the government's effort to further reduce the number of Britons who smoke — now 26 percent — the government also plans to require "hard-hitting" picture warnings on cigarette packs and new restrictions on tobacco advertising, Mr. Reid said.

If the proposal becomes law, Britain would be one of a few European countries to outlaw smoking in many public places since New York City made headlines with a strict ban last year.

Ireland became the first to ban smoking in all enclosed workplaces this year, and Norway and Sweden have followed suit. Last week, Scotland's government proposed banning smoking in all enclosed public places by 2006.

Announcing the plan to the House of Commons, Mr. Reid said the measure was a fair compromise that respected people's right to make unhealthy choices, but not to harm others.

"This is a sensible solution, I believe, which balances the protection of the majority with the personal freedom of the minority in England," he said. "We will see smoke-free environments becoming the norm both at work and at leisure."

Health advocates, although praising the plan as a step forward, faulted it for not going far enough and taking too long to get there.

"It makes no sense to allow smoking in some pubs," said Dr. James Johnson, chairman of the British Medical Association.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: pufflist; smokingbans; smokinglaws

1 posted on 11/16/2004 10:09:16 PM PST by Former Military Chick
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To: Former Military Chick

Don't expect a country with no written Constitution to grasp the difference between public property and private property. Then again, don't expect a country WITH one ... either.


2 posted on 11/16/2004 10:19:55 PM PST by FreeKeys (Think strategerically.)
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To: Former Military Chick

Nanny state alert!!

Will they ban beer and whiskey next?? Hey, why not try prohibition?? Thats never been done before!!


3 posted on 11/16/2004 10:21:38 PM PST by kb2614 ( You have everything to fear, including fear itself. - The new DNC slogan)
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To: FreeKeys
It's quite fitting, given James I's attitude (btw, he was James VI, King of Scotland, also), that his arrogant son Charles I is still to date the only English king to have been beheaded.

Smoke 'em if ya got 'em -- one of the finest egalitarian, anti-monarchist, phrases ever uttered. Made famous by the United States Navy, as a custom at stand-down, during WW II, if yr hmbl srvnt is not VERY much mistaken.

4 posted on 11/16/2004 10:55:51 PM PST by SAJ
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To: kb2614
What a brilliant idea. Banning smoking in bars. From what I hear that has been working out splendidly everywhere it has bee tried. /Sarcasm full blast.
5 posted on 11/16/2004 11:07:55 PM PST by OHIOforBUSH (We Won...)
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