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Ohio To Go Through Statewide Recount
wcpo.com ^ | 11/16/04 | AP

Posted on 11/17/2004 4:20:26 AM PST by bobjam

A statewide recount of the presidential vote appears inevitable after a pair of third-party candidates said they have collected enough money to pay for it.

The recount would be conducted after the election results are certified in early December.

Libertarian Michael Badnarik and the Green Party's David Cobb said on Monday they raised more than $150,000 in four days, mostly in small contributions.

Ohio law requires payment of $10 per precinct for a recount, or $113,600 statewide.

Badnarik and Cobb said they aren't trying to overturn President Bush's 136,000-vote victory in Ohio, but just want to ensure that all votes were counted properly in the face of concerns about Election Day irregularities.

"Our bottom line is to stand up for the integrity of the voting process because the voting process is the heart of the democratic process," said Blair Bobier, spokesman for Cobb.

Bobier said it will be worth the price to ensure the final outcome can be trusted.

Carlo LoParo, spokesman for Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell, said the actual cost to county election boards combined will be about $1.5 million.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: badnarik; bush; election; kerry; libertarianparty; lp; nader; ohio; recount
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Brilliant strategy for Democrats- they got Nader to file for the recount so Kerry doesn't have to look like the sore loser. I hope Bush and Rove are paying real close attention.
1 posted on 11/17/2004 4:20:26 AM PST by bobjam
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To: bobjam
Carlo LoParo, spokesman for Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell, said the actual cost to county election boards combined will be about $1.5 million.

This is my favorite part...sure way to turn a red state redder...saddle the voters with a huge bill.

2 posted on 11/17/2004 4:23:34 AM PST by dawn53
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To: bobjam

Libertarians=Greens.
'Nuff said.

After Badnarik's commercials attacking GWB and now this, I think it is safe to say that the Libertarians can no longer be considered friends on any level. Those who have libertarian leanings, like many of us do -- myself included -- must now come to realize that the Libertarian Party has become an enemy of their own aspirations.

This is perhaps why the founder of the Libertarian Party denounced Badnarik and implored Libertarians to support Bush in the election. The Libertarians have obviously been hijacked by the radical left.



3 posted on 11/17/2004 4:29:50 AM PST by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: bobjam
The recount would be conducted after the election results are certified in early December.

Recounts rank right up their with rolling the dice in terms of discovering a "definitive" vote tally. Too many variables. No impact on electors in this one, though.

4 posted on 11/17/2004 4:33:57 AM PST by Puddleglum (Thank God the Boston blowhard lost)
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To: bobjam
Badnarik and Cobb said they aren't trying to overturn President Bush's 136,000-vote victory in Ohio

BS! What do they think they won? Come on.... What about New Hampshire?

5 posted on 11/17/2004 4:35:35 AM PST by PhotoFixer3
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To: counterpunch

I guess Sarandon is dancing in the streets.I hope the recount actually reveals that Bush won by more votes not less!


6 posted on 11/17/2004 4:35:36 AM PST by ricoshea (Reiily)
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To: counterpunch; ohioman; Sister_T; KarlInOhio; ATOMIC_PUNK; Melas; Lunatic Fringe; Keith in Iowa; ...
What baffles me is why Cobb, whose sole reason for being on the ballot was to derail the candidacy of Ralph Nader, continues to press this futile endeavor, even after his patron-John Kerry-has become a political cadaver.

It's understandable that the Libertarian, true to form, is acting like a petulant, resentful snot, but what on Earth is the rationale behind Cobb's attempt to fleece the taxpayers of Ohio?

7 posted on 11/17/2004 4:36:39 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("They don't want some high brow hussy from NYC explaining to them that they're idiots.")
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To: bobjam

The RNC better have lawyers deployed. It ain't over until Inaugeration Day!


8 posted on 11/17/2004 4:41:34 AM PST by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: Puddleglum
I just hope that they shed some light on the massive voter fraud attempts in HEAVILY DEMOCRAT CONTROLLED AREAS!

One Person, ONE VOTE!

Write your Representative, and Senator, asking for a bill to require photo I.D. in order to vote.

(yeah, yeah, I know there can still be fraud, but come on! Ya gotta start somewhere!)

9 posted on 11/17/2004 4:41:43 AM PST by BB2
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

What are the editorial pages of Ohio papers saying about this scam; are they pleased that the taxpayers have to shell out a mil-and-a-half?


10 posted on 11/17/2004 4:42:21 AM PST by Salvey
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To: counterpunch
Every time I take one of those on line quizzes that is supposed to tell you where you are politically, I find my deeply in libertarian territory. Every time I actually see where the Libertarians really stand, I realize that I'll always be a Republican.
11 posted on 11/17/2004 4:43:36 AM PST by 75thOVI (Any ship can be a submarine...............once!)
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To: dawn53

Libertarians wasting taxpayer dollars ? Shocking !


12 posted on 11/17/2004 4:44:32 AM PST by ScottfromNJ
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
What baffles me is why Cobb, whose sole reason for being on the ballot was to derail the candidacy of Ralph Nader, continues to press this futile endeavor, even after his patron-John Kerry-has become a political cadaver.

Because however slight the possibility of a recount changing the outcome, it's greater than the possibility of the outcome changing without a recount.

13 posted on 11/17/2004 4:45:05 AM PST by AntiGuv ()
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To: bobjam
they got Nader to file for the recount so Kerry

Sorry, I did not see Nader in the article. It is Badnarik and Cobb that are asking for the recount. Is anyone not a D or R the same to you?

14 posted on 11/17/2004 4:49:40 AM PST by Mike4Freedom (Freedom is the one thing that you cannot have unless you grant it to everyone else.)
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To: counterpunch
After Badnarik's commercials attacking GWB and now this, I think it is safe to say that the Libertarians can no longer be considered friends on any level. Those who have libertarian leanings, like many of us do -- myself included -- must now come to realize that the Libertarian Party has become an enemy of their own aspirations.

Yep, I reached the same conclusion, myself. They just crossed the line far as I'm concerned.

15 posted on 11/17/2004 4:50:01 AM PST by backhoe (Just a Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the Trackball into the Dawn of Information...)
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To: AntiGuv
Point taken.
16 posted on 11/17/2004 4:50:34 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("They don't want some high brow hussy from NYC explaining to them that they're idiots.")
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To: Salvey

I wouldn't venture to guess, but if they're anything like the New York Times, I'm sure that fringe, radical candidates wringing the hard-earned money from their taxpayers is the furthest thing from their (collective) mind.


17 posted on 11/17/2004 4:53:07 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("They don't want some high brow hussy from NYC explaining to them that they're idiots.")
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To: 75thOVI
Every time I actually see where the Libertarians really stand, I realize that I'll always be a Republican.

The Libertarians stand just where you stand. Individual freedom first and certainly honest elections. An election isn't honest just because your guy appears to have won. There is so much horrible junk in Ohio's result that I cannot understand why Kerry conceded so fast. There were whole counties that reported more votes than registrants. There was horrible vote suppression all over the state. This was a text book example of dirty tricks overwhelming the real vote. And only the Libertarians and Greens seem to give a fig. All you Bushbots don't care as long as your guy was the recipient of the fraud.

18 posted on 11/17/2004 4:53:58 AM PST by Mike4Freedom (Freedom is the one thing that you cannot have unless you grant it to everyone else.)
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To: bobjam
Carlo LoParo, spokesman for Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell, said the actual cost to county election boards combined will be about $1.5 million.

So who is going to be charged for this cost especially considering that it is nothing more than a publicity stunt?

19 posted on 11/17/2004 4:55:10 AM PST by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: bobjam

Be ready for a batch of ballots to be miraculously found.


20 posted on 11/17/2004 4:55:44 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Got Wood?)
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To: Mike4Freedom
Absolutist Libertarian:

I'm seceding from this thread!

21 posted on 11/17/2004 4:55:59 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("They don't want some high brow hussy from NYC explaining to them that they're idiots.")
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

Who is John Kerry?


22 posted on 11/17/2004 4:56:04 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Make everyday Veterans Day.)
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To: Mike4Freedom

Nader is having some wards in NH recounted.

That's an interesting one because Kerry won NH, but they're trying to show that touch screens are unreliable.

BUT, Ohio doesn't use touchscreens much, so we'll be back to watching them peer at hanging chads.


23 posted on 11/17/2004 4:56:53 AM PST by dawn53
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To: Conspiracy Guy
Um...uh...Lemme think about that for a moment.

Island of Lost Souls

Today's special guest star, Mary Beth Cahill

24 posted on 11/17/2004 4:57:48 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("They don't want some high brow hussy from NYC explaining to them that they're idiots.")
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To: PJ-Comix

Looks to me, from the article, like the individual counties will have to absorb the cost.

Not the state, but the counties!


25 posted on 11/17/2004 4:57:54 AM PST by dawn53
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To: bobjam

If they are going to recount in Ohio, then they should recount in Pennsylvania. The margin was closer there, and the Supreme Court has already ruled that selective recounts are unconstitutional.


26 posted on 11/17/2004 4:59:01 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: PJ-Comix; dawn53
If it was up to me, the people footing the bill would include every single person working for the Democratic National Committee.

Unfortunately, I don't see that happening.

27 posted on 11/17/2004 5:00:01 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("They don't want some high brow hussy from NYC explaining to them that they're idiots.")
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To: Mike4Freedom; Admin Moderator

"Libertarian" angry that Kerry lost in aisle 18.


28 posted on 11/17/2004 5:00:02 AM PST by Nataku X (Lord, please guide President Bush, and please protect our soldiers in Fallujah.)
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To: bobjam
"Our bottom line is to stand up for the integrity of the voting process because the voting process is the heart of the democratic process," said Blair Bobier, spokesman for Cobb.

"And the farmer hauled away another load of hay"(B.S.)!

29 posted on 11/17/2004 5:00:27 AM PST by VOYAGER
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To: Mike4Freedom
There were whole counties that reported more votes than registrants.

Please name them.

There was horrible vote suppression all over the state.

Could you provide some proof of that allegation? Even an example?

This was a text book example of dirty tricks overwhelming the real vote.

Again, can you cite any evidence? Or, are you just relying on your own hunches?

30 posted on 11/17/2004 5:01:58 AM PST by TonyInOhio ("May they go to hell!" the soldiers shouted, and Allawi replied: "To hell they will go.")
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

If Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson say voters were disinfrenchfried, it must be true.


31 posted on 11/17/2004 5:03:04 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Make everyday Veterans Day.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy; TonyInOhio; Nakatu X; Cacique; FlipWilson
But of course!

ONE MAN, ONE VOTE...if you're a Republican man, that is.

32 posted on 11/17/2004 5:17:13 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("They don't want some high brow hussy from NYC explaining to them that they're idiots.")
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

I say, One Man, One Vote, per Precinct!


33 posted on 11/17/2004 5:21:00 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Make everyday Veterans Day.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy
Hmm...

Interesting.

Verrry Interrresting.

34 posted on 11/17/2004 5:23:57 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("They don't want some high brow hussy from NYC explaining to them that they're idiots.")
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To: Mike4Freedom
Why you “people” (pun intended) from this stupid libertarian party or constitutional party, do not get all together and make your own delusional website blog where you can spew your delusional theories, bitterness, and hate toward President Bush and the Republican party.

What are you doing here on FR? Get out of here.

35 posted on 11/17/2004 5:29:04 AM PST by jveritas
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To: counterpunch
The Libertarians have obviously been hijacked by the radical left.

It may have started with Bill Mahr.

36 posted on 11/17/2004 5:29:16 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (never surrender, this is for the kids)
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To: Mike4Freedom

Don't make outlandish claims and then head for the tall grass. Answer the questions! Give us the proof!


37 posted on 11/17/2004 5:31:48 AM PST by Russ
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To: Mike4Freedom; Constitution Day; mhking; Zavien Doombringer; Grampa Dave; Poohbah; dighton; ...

Sleeper Troll here...been posting anti-W stuff all morning.


38 posted on 11/17/2004 5:31:55 AM PST by TheBigB (Baby, baby, don't get hooked on me....)
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To: bobjam

They pulled this in Florida in 2000 and Florida became a whole lot redder this time around. People are sick and tired of sore losers calling into question the integrity of our elections.

This is nothing more than a PR stunt. If the recount vote is off by even 1 vote from the original, the mantra will be that people's votes didn't count, Bush stole the election again, blah, blah.


39 posted on 11/17/2004 5:33:52 AM PST by randita
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

I spend election days driving driving driving


40 posted on 11/17/2004 5:34:06 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Make everyday Veterans Day.)
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To: Mike4Freedom
Wrong. We know the Dems cheated like crazy. But they also play heads I win, tails I lose. They cheat, and if it is enough and works, prevent anything being done about it. And if it isn't enough and doesn't work, they point to the irregularities they themselves deliberately caused, and file a lawsuit or ask for a do over or recount, which they then continue trying to steal. You fall for it. We don't. That is all. We will certainly look for and prosecute frauds. But putting the election back in play is their only goal, and you are furthering it. You don't fight cheating by insisting on giving cheaters a half dozen tries at it.
41 posted on 11/17/2004 5:34:36 AM PST by JasonC
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To: counterpunch

The Republicans may not be as much the Stupid Party as they were, but the Libertarians have become the Dope Party.


42 posted on 11/17/2004 5:36:49 AM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: FreeAtlanta
It may have started with Bill Mahr

Bill Mahr is no libertarian, despite his claims. Except, maybe, about drugs. But he conveniently ignores the other 98%.

43 posted on 11/17/2004 5:42:47 AM PST by Sooth2222
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To: bobjam
Election fraud is the MO of the Dem Party. Every big city political machine is controlled by the Dems. Historically, we know that the Daley, Pendergast, Tammany Hall, Hague, et. al. machines have been stealing elections for generations. In Presidential and other statewide elections, the tactic is very simple: Wait until the vote from the rest of the state comes in and then manufacture the votes you need to win.

The Dems used this strategy in this election. Philadelphia, Detroit, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago, and other Metro areas provided the margin of victory to capture their respective states. The Dems are fast becoming the urban party, witness the red/blue map by counties. Urban elections translate into massive and widespread fraud.

44 posted on 11/17/2004 5:45:38 AM PST by kabar
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To: bobjam
They don't care if it is overturned, they just want to try and delegitimize Bush . Then they can scream the same BS they did the last 4 years.
45 posted on 11/17/2004 5:52:47 AM PST by mortal19440
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To: VeniVidiVici

I didn't catch all of the Lars Larson show last night but I heard that in some state, I think NM, they "found" another box of 10,000 ballots that all went for Kerry. Have you heard of that? And Bush was down to 2,000 votes ahead.


46 posted on 11/17/2004 5:53:15 AM PST by queenkathy
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To: Mike4Freedom
Sounds like you could use a little talk, given the stress of the election and all. Here's a number for you to fix ya right up:

561-395-3033

47 posted on 11/17/2004 5:59:10 AM PST by Sam's Army (Enfranchised Voter)
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To: bobjam
Badnarik and Cobb said they aren't trying to overturn President Bush's 136,000-vote victory in Ohio, but just want to ensure that all votes were counted properly in the face of concerns about Election Day irregularities.

What a putrid lie.

I never want to hear about the noble ideals of Libertarianism again.

EVER.

I've voted for a couple of Libertarians over the years, but never again. I've cut the Libertarians some slack before now, but never again. The only purpose the LP serves is to elect democrats.

Grow your pot. Marry your sister. Build a yurt on five acres of un-zoned. But don't ask to be taken seriously. Whatever good that might have existed in the LP has been completely negated by the rag tag core of the party -- the libertine stoners, the immature losers, the dyspeptic theoreticians, the addled Utopians, the stealth leftists, and the professional trouble makers. Do the country a favor and leave politics to serious people.

 

48 posted on 11/17/2004 6:25:18 AM PST by Semi Civil Servant (This space for sale.)
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To: queenkathy
I think NM, they "found" another box of 10,000 ballots that all went for Kerry.

Hadn't heard that. Though the number 10,000 and NM has been bantered about:
1. Gov Bill Richardson said he'd deliver 10,000 votes for Kerry.

2. I believe 10,000 votes *were* found for Gore in NM in 2000.

49 posted on 11/17/2004 7:00:49 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Got Wood?)
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To: Mike4Freedom
Bushbot.....Hmmmmmm. That's a first for me. Before voting I had to sit down and do some serious thinking. Who's treason was worse, John Kerry's for his actions during and after the Vietnam War. Or, George W. Bush's for signing the Anti- (not un, anti!) Constitutional Campaign Finance Reform Act in to law. Bush actually lost that issue for me, but won (barely) on others. I have given serious thought to the libertarian party. Not long after 9-11 there was a post headlined on FR about the libertarian party taking out their first national newspaper ad. I was on AOHell dial up at the time. In the four hours it took the ad to load I had time to wonder what the libertarians considered their #1 national priority. Certainly the threat of terrorism was at the front of most people's minds. Harry Browne had truly expressed the libertarian view of that. "We asked for it, we deserved it." I thought, maybe the national party wanted to make a statement that wasn't written by al-Jazeera. CFR itself was up for a vote. That's an issue that seems ready made for the libertarian party. There were several other issues that escape my recollection right now. (I had a lot of time to think about it.) Finally the ad popped up. "The War on Drugs Finances Terrorism!!" Uh-hum..... We cannot put the children in charge. My suggestion, you people have a good message. Seriously, I think you do. However, as a party, libertarians couldn't lead a pack of starving wolves to meat. Learn how to speak to the American people on the many subjects that concern them. Not just through the lens of your favorite issue.
My mind is open. Convince me that the libertarian party can be trusted in the government of this country. And, by the way, leave the "Bushbot" stuff for DU, it's much more useful at their level of discourse.
50 posted on 11/17/2004 8:41:17 AM PST by 75thOVI (Any ship can be a submarine...............once!)
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