Putin: Russia Building Nuclear Weapon U.S. Won't Have

netscape.cnn.com ^ | Nov. 17, 2004 | netscape.cnn.com

[crushelits]

Russia Developing New Nuclear Missile.

MOSCOW (AP) - President Vladimir Putin said Wednesday that Russia is developing a new form of nuclear missile unlike those held by other countries, news agencies reported. Speaking at a meeting of the Armed Forces' leadership, Putin reportedly said that Russia is researching and successfully testing new nuclear missile systems. ``I am sure that ... they will be put in service within the next few years and, what is more, they will be developments of the kind that other nuclear powers do not and will not have,'' Putin was quoted as saying by the ITAR-Tass news agency.

Putin reportedly said: ``International terrorism is one of the major threats for Russia. We understand as soon as we ignore such components of our defense as a nuclear and missile shield, other threats may occur.'' No details were immediately available, but Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov said earlier this month that Russia expected to test-fire a mobile version of its Topol-M ballistic missile this year and that production of the new weapon could be commissioned in 2005. continues...

[Armedanddangerous]

Ten warhead missle, apparently.

That is a continent buster

[Skybird]

It's sure good to know that all of the economic and other assistance, provided by the US, has gone to good use...

[SeasideSparrow]

Lots of people think Russia is no longer a threat to the US. In my mind Russia wouldn't be doing this unless she plans on using it against us one day. Like you said, this is the BIG guns and definite overkill for a group of terrorists.

[Heavyrunner]

While Star Wars in its current iteration may be a marginal (read: unsastisfactory) solution, the age of the ICBM as a viable nuclear delivery method is coming to an end.

While targetting may be upgraded as well as lift capacity over current delivery vehicles, it is still 1960's technology.

Boost-phase ICBM targetting and neutralization has been in research since Reagan, and the Russians simply cannot afford to run with the U.S. pack anymore in an arms race.

If it's perceived to be a major threat, we can rest assured measures will be taken to minimize it.

[El Gran Salseron]

I tend to think that both Russia and the USA had better start watching China more closely, not each other.

[Pearls Before Swine]

In my mind Russia wouldn't be doing this unless she plans on using it against us one day.

... or China. They might have to defend Siberia sometime in the next generation.

Arms experts: How many warheads on a US MIRV?

[crushelits]

Yellow people are the REAL THREAT.

CHINA

[sam_paine]

Hmmm. X-43A flies mach 10 without an on-board oxidizer, and the next day Putin has a new missile.

Could it be that the USAF has plans for offsetting the saved weight of fuel in a scramjet delivery vehicle?

[FrankRepublican]

We wasted $30 billion on that stupid space station with the Russkis while illegals flood in and Al Qeada was renting cars and planning 9-11.

Putin should worry about the IslamoFacists who shot 350 Russian children in the back at a Christian school.

[metalmanx2j]

What is this 1953? Get over it! Cold War ended...you lost!

[Defiant]

The Soviet SS-18 had 20 warheads of 1 megaton each. I don't recall how many our big missiles had, but it wasn't nearly as many, maybe 3 or 5. We haven't had to worry about this stuff for a while, and I don't think we have to worry about Russia now, either. If the Russians are developing something that makes them feel safer, it's for internal consumption.

[SeasideSparrow]

Wouldn't it be a sorry surprise if one day we discovered that Russia has been planning to destroy us all along - but they've been waiting for just the right timing?

[Indie]

While targetting may be upgraded as well as lift capacity over current delivery vehicles, it is still 1960's technology. Boost-phase ICBM targetting and neutralization has been in research since Reagan, and the Russians simply cannot afford to run with the U.S. pack anymore in an arms race. If it's perceived to be a major threat, we can rest assured measures will be taken to minimize it.

Yeah, the same 60's technology that landed us on the moon.

I don't mean to be flip, but your logic is...well...illogical. A defense system can work against rogue missiles from terrorists and accidental launches, and we need it...but it is useless against this "60's technology" that can quite nicely erase us from the planet earth. And it will remain useless against an all-out overwhelming nuclear attack...in our lifetimes and maybe even in our children's lifetimes..

Methinks you have too much faith in "modern" technology. And many here have way too much faith in the charity of the Russians!

[Spirochete]

Arms experts: How many warheads on a US MIRV?

Eight warheads on a Trident II block D.

[Chemist_Geek]

What is this 1953? Get over it! Cold War ended...you lost!

I have to admit that I do kind of pine for the old days, when things were clear...

[theFIRMbss]

>Putin: Russia Building Nuclear Weapon U.S. Won't Have

Russia Says Weapon Renders 'Missile Defense Useless'

NewsMax.com Wires
Thursday, Feb. 19, 2004

MOSCOW – Russia has successfully tested a hypersonic weapon capable of penetrating any prospective missile shield, a senior general said Thursday. The prototype weapon proved it could maneuver so quickly as to make "any missile defense useless," Col.-Gen. Yuri Baluyevsky, the first deputy chief of the General Staff of the Russian armed forces, said at a news conference.

He said that the prototype of a new hypersonic vehicle had proved its ability to maneuver while in orbit, thereby making it able to to dodge an enemy's missile shield.

"The flying vehicle changed both the altitude and direction of its flight," Baluyevsky said. "During the experiment conducted yesterday, we proved that it's possible to develop weapons that would make any missile defense useless."

Baluyevsky's comment followed a statement by President Vladimir Putin, who said Wednesday after attending rocket launches from the Plesetsk launch pad in northern Russia that experiments conducted during the military maneuvers had proven that Russia could build strategic weapons unrivaled in the world. ...

[SirChas]

Picture of the Top Secret Russian rocket program.

[jb6]

How about for a nation of 1.6 billion that claims half of Russia and whom our Free Trade nightmare is building into a world superpower? By the way, they fear that with a US missile shield, the US will attack Russia. And why not, Hitlery has a pretty good chance of being elected.

[WorkingClassFilth]

The Russians are our friends. The cold war is over. These are defensive missiles only. What's the problem?

[jb6]

Especially after Klintune gave away all US nuke knowledge to them.

[Heavyrunner]

I don't have faith in technology at all. I believe ICBM's will eventually -- Meaning within the next 20 years, be rendered obsolete except by seaborne very-short-notice platforms like "boomer" submarines.

A far larger threat exists in the much less attention-getting forms of delivery, such as a merchant ship pulling into port with a nuke in its hold, or one being smuggled in with a shipment of coffee beans from South America.

[July 4th]

Aren't the MIRVs being completely phased out? I thought that was a requirement of recent reduction treaties.

[July 4th]

I wonder if their comments were intended to cover the ABL and other laser systems as well.

[Armedanddangerous]

Well that was my understanding also, but who knows?

[Magnum44]

Two schools of thought here:

1) Russia, aka former USSR, has since WWII relied on its strategic rocket forces (read nuclear) for its homeland defense. In many ways its an archaic philosophy, particular in light of the WOT we both are waging. But their strategic rocket forces really are the most powerful arm of their armed forces, and like all govt bureaucracies, the have and want to hold on to power, funds, and influence. That they are putting huge sums of money here reflects, not priorities as we would see them, but power and influence struggles within their own military.

2) You do have to admit that most of the old strategic rocket forces they have are in a sad state, and to be an effective deterrent, need an upgrade. So it makes sense to make improvements when you upgrade. I think the talk of radical upgrade is mostly hot air to placate those who would divert development funds elsewhere.

As usual, I am merely putting this in perspective, not taking their side.

[JonDavid]

Star Wars will make missiles obsolete. This move by the Russians is either desperation or a first strike against US before star wars becomes fully operational. By the way the Soviets, I mean Russians, named their most lethal ICBM Satan.

[diamond6]

"...we can rest assured measures will be taken to minimize it."

That is, if we have a responsible person in office, and good common sense people in the house and senate.

[Delbert]

It doesnt look very big.

[Polybius]

Lots of people think Russia is no longer a threat to the US. In my mind Russia wouldn't be doing this unless she plans on using it against us one day.

......or wants to ensure that Red China does not look hungrily at Russia's under-populated territory.

[JonDavid]

From July 4th:

Aren't the MIRVs being completely phased out? I thought that was a requirement of recent reduction treaties.


Lets all welcome Madeline Albright to the forum.

[dljordan]

But, but, the cold war is over! The Russians are our friends now. That's why we have ex-KGB generals advising Homeland Security!

[truthandlife]

I believe Putin knows that our missile defense shield will give us the upper hand and he is trying to anything for the U.S. not to implement it. I think this is all hype from Putin.

[Henchman]

Don't worry, the Russians will deliver the missle here. we can study it on the way in.

[JonDavid]

China & Russia just before 9/11 signed a military alliance. Sure OBL is our enemy. But who do you think supports him? Remember, nation states have always use surrogates to fight for them. Some may say why would Russia align with Islamic Fascists against the United States? The old saying an enemy of my enemy is my friend applies here. In fact, the Russians formed & trained most of the terrorist organization operating in the world today.

[Smokin' Joe]

3 on the minuteman III, but I think the trident and MX can carry 10. I may be wrong, though.

[Polybius]

China & Russia just before 9/11 signed a military alliance.

August 23, 1939: Soviet Foreign Minister Molotov and German Foreign Minister Von Ribbentrop sign the Nazi-Soviet Non-aggression Pact

[July 4th]

Well, pardon me for bringing up facts.

With the signing of the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START) II in January 1993, Peacekeeper became a dead program. START II demanded the removal of all MIRV ICBMs, and it is currently planned to phase out all LGM-118A missiles until 2004. After that date, the LGM-30 Minuteman will remain the only U.S. land-based ICBM. When production was completed, about 100 LGM-118A missiles had been built.

http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-118.html

[Mogollon]

Ten warhead missle, apparently. That is a continent buster

We already have this, it's called MIRV.

[jeremiah]

Isn't it time we uncorked the technology and made some neutron bombs. They would come in really handy to avoid hand to hand fighting, or door to door anyway. We could have cleared Fallujah without losing a single soldier. Just tell those within to surrender or die, kill all within without ruining the holy sites.

[JonDavid]

I think you’re on to something. Don't forget that Russia was conducting major bomber exercises just before and during 9/11. These Bombers had extra fuel capacity. They were conducting their exercises in both the Atlantic & Artic regions. I read somewhere that President Bush thought that Russia was behind 9/11 (Decapitation attack). President Bush did tell Putting after the 9/11 to stand down the bomber exercises. He did. Now let’s suppose that the 9/11 attacks were successful in hitting the Capital, White House and thus took out a good portion of our government. Those Russian bombers could have easily turned direction and headed for the KILL. By the Grace of God our nation was saved that day from a nuclear holocaust.

[JonDavid]

Your joking right?

[jmstein7]

I don't think they had the U.S. in mind when they decided to get back on the ball with nukes and nuke defense.

It is more likely they are concerned with very real nuclear threats closer to home, e.g. China and North Korea.

[WorkingClassFilth]

Yep.

[JonDavid]

My point is that it’s a piece of paper. The Madeline Albright's of the world serious believe that our enemies will honor theses treaties. Now Madeline would say but we will verily this. Sure, right. I am also the King of Siam.

[familyop]

Here's some ammo in case the new Communist Party shows up to blow smoke.

Israel Tries to "Win Russia Over": Report [Intel Barf from Islam Barf:
One man's terrorist...]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1210553/posts
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov however drew a line between Chechnya and Palestine, making it clear Arab countries could not be excluded from any alliance against terror.

"Chechnya is a part of Russia. But the Palestinian territories are declared by UN resolutions and international legitimacy as occupied lands," Lavrov said during a joint press conference with his Israeli counterpart Silvan Shalom, according to Al-Jazeera.

Also, at a meeting with Israeli President Moshe Katsav, Lavrov, while agreeing that there could be no justification to terrorism, insisted at the same time that some of the factors contributing to terrorism, such as stark economic conditions, should be dealt with.

Russians Respect Reason For Terrorism
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1210347/posts
In a veiled swipe at the United States and its United States allies such as Israel, Russia's foreign minister said Sunday his country opposed a Security Council resolution demanding free presidential elections here and a Syrian troop withdrawal out of Moscow's respect for Lebanese sovereignty.

Russia, China aid Iran's missile program
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a4916.htm

Russia, N.Korea, China give Iran missile aid -CIA
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/519198/posts

Moscow 'vehemently' opposes attacks on Iraq
Sees Saddam's terror-sponsor state as 'long-term partner'
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25619

Russian Delegation in Baghdad With Putin Message for Saddam Hussein
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3918d6aa328c.htm

[JonDavid]

The only difference, a big one, is that China & Russia are both Communist Nations with a common theme of destroying the United States and establishing a Communist world government. Why do you think Germany has turned against the Unites States? It’s more than Iraqi oil contracts.

[SeasideSparrow]

Yes, it just seems naive to think Russia is our friend when you consider past history and their talent for deception. Also, they've continued a civil defense program for citizens in the cities.

Us? We're fooled into thinking a nuclear holocaust will never happen because we're warm fuzzy friends with Putin. Remember: our President looked into Putin's eyes and ascertained he is a friend. I hear Ted Bundy had friendly eyes too. *sigh*

Russia's government builds shelters for its citizens. The U.S. government only builds shelters for its leaders.

What's wrong with this picture?

[CarrotAndStick]

Yellow people are the REAL THREAT.

Whoa! You've just made a daringly racist comment.

[A. Pole]

Putin: Russia Building Nuclear Weapon U.S. Won't Have

More journalistic hype. I guess it is similar to the US supersonic combustion ramjet/scramjet