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Methodists, What are Your Church Leaders Up To?
United Methodist Church, Institute on Religion and Democracy, et al. ^

Posted on 11/17/2004 8:45:21 AM PST by mbarker12474

The Virginia Conference of the United Methodist Church http://www.vaumc.org will make several appeals to state lawmakers. Do you know what they are? Are they consistent with conservative, Christian values?

And do Methodists in Virginia have any idea what the church's General Board of Church and Society is doing with your offering. You may be surprised to find out, but Yassir Arafat and anti-American hate groups are well aware of Methodist benevolence.

Staff of the Methodist GBCS: read

The Methodist GBCS and the U.N.: read

More on the Methodist GBCS and the U.N.: read

Nonsense by Methodist Elite on the U.N. & Iraq: read

Arafat gives gift to Methodist Bishop, GBCS: read

Methodist GBCS Head Winkler advice to Sec. Powell: read

Methodists GBCS and NCS Winkler and Edgar on Iraq: read

Methodist GBCS Head Winkler likes Palestinians, dislikes Israelis, U.S.: read

Methodist Bishops declare their stupidity on Iraq: read

Methodist Bishops, inc. Talbert, declare their stupidity: read

Methodists on GBCS meet and sympathize with Arafat: read

Methodists Winkler, Edgar, NCC rush to meet leader Arafat: read

Methodists against Pickles: read

Methodists against Tacos: read

CBS on the U.N. and Oil for Food read


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: apostasy; churchandsociety; generalboard; globalministries; heresy; methodists; napalminthemorning; ncc; partyofthehindparts; religionofpeace; unitedmethodist; wcc; wehaveareligionforum; wot
The Virginia Conference of the United Methodist Church http://www.vaumc.org will make several appeals to state lawmakers. Do you know what they are? Are they consistent with conservative, Christian values?

And do Methodists in Virginia have any idea what the church's General Board of Church and Society is doing with your offering. You may be surprised to find out, but Yassir Arafat and anti-American hate groups are well aware of Methodist benevolence.

1 posted on 11/17/2004 8:45:23 AM PST by mbarker12474
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To: mbarker12474

Just join us to post this bilge?


2 posted on 11/17/2004 8:47:53 AM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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To: mbarker12474

Haven't these people ever heard of the separation of church and food?

What nostrils.


3 posted on 11/17/2004 8:52:57 AM PST by ReadyNow (When you see the eye, expect a lie!)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr

Seems like newsworthy information to me. More information on liberation theology activity in apostate denominational leadership.


4 posted on 11/17/2004 8:54:43 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (From Ku Klux Klan to the modern era of the Koo Kleft Klan...the true RAT legacy.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

Methodists against Tacos is newsworthy?


5 posted on 11/17/2004 8:55:44 AM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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To: mbarker12474

Welcome to FR. And YES, most FReepers certainly do know all about the United Methodist's leftist/communist connections via the National Council of Churches.

The NCC is totally corrupt and leftist and has been since the day they formed their organization!

**And most mainline churches belong to NCC.**

GET OUT NOW!


6 posted on 11/17/2004 8:56:55 AM PST by Humidston (Cheney cleaned the floor with that little GIRLY BOY Edwards!!!)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr

READ the link.


7 posted on 11/17/2004 8:58:40 AM PST by Humidston (Cheney cleaned the floor with that little GIRLY BOY Edwards!!!)
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To: Humidston

I did, it also states that several mainline denominations are against the exploitation of workers. Are you?


8 posted on 11/17/2004 8:59:49 AM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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To: mbarker12474

I was raised a United Methodist. It was one of the most conservative and strict churches in the area. Dancing, makeup, jewelry and most music were all works of the devil. Sex outside of marriage was a terrible sin and homosexuality was a forbidden subject.
Patriotism was next to Godliness.
What happened?


9 posted on 11/17/2004 9:00:20 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: mbarker12474
Methodists, What are Your Church Leaders Up To? Add to that list the total handgun ban the United Methodists have long supported!
10 posted on 11/17/2004 9:00:45 AM PST by need_a_screen_name
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To: R. Scott

I'd say we came out of the dark ages.


11 posted on 11/17/2004 9:01:21 AM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr

Their dark ages is one of the reasons I left the Church.


12 posted on 11/17/2004 9:02:28 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: R. Scott

Whatever that means? Good riddance.


13 posted on 11/17/2004 9:04:18 AM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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To: ReadyNow

LOL! I just love FR. :-)


14 posted on 11/17/2004 9:04:48 AM PST by TChris (You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr

We left the Baptist Church because it had turned so liberal. The pastor had a love fest wtih the Clintons and Jimmy Carter. We have been visiting Methodist Churches and they are much more what we were used to before this liberal Baptist Pastor came in to our church.


15 posted on 11/17/2004 9:08:14 AM PST by JFC ( President Bush, You are being prayed for along with our country daily, by millions of us.)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr

I'd say son, that you need to sit down and do some reading on the National Council of Churches as well as the World Council of Churches and all the mainline denominations that are members of the NCC/WCC.

Your church is corrupt if it is connected. CORRUPT. And your offerings are corrupted. I don't know how I can make that any clearer.


16 posted on 11/17/2004 9:08:42 AM PST by Humidston (Cheney cleaned the floor with that little GIRLY BOY Edwards!!!)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr

The link is a document from the Methodist church calling for a boycott against Taco Bell for social justice reasons.


17 posted on 11/17/2004 9:09:13 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (From Ku Klux Klan to the modern era of the Koo Kleft Klan...the true RAT legacy.)
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To: R. Scott

I was at ground zero in the Methodist (North Texas) 20 years ago when they were spending 99,999$ to "study" if homosexuality was compatiable with Christianity...Note the amount - they didn't need approval and could hide the expenditure for under 100,000$. After that, they had the "Milk and Honey" service at the North Texas Conference, where they used inclusive terms for God (like Mother), and served offerings of Milk. (I know you won't believe it, but the Methodist have been taken over by the New Age crowd in many areas). I know. I was there. I saw.

In general, if you want to watch a denomination self destruct, here is the path

1) Gender roles diminished
2) Israel Abandoned
3) Theology becomes "grey"
4) Homosexuality promoted
5) People leave in droves


18 posted on 11/17/2004 9:09:15 AM PST by BereanBrain
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To: R. Scott

Please don't give up. Find a good Bible church NOT affiliated with NCC/WCC. They ARE out there and they are growing with good people. This is a battle worthy of our efforts!


19 posted on 11/17/2004 9:11:05 AM PST by Humidston (Cheney cleaned the floor with that little GIRLY BOY Edwards!!!)
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To: mbarker12474

In the thick of the struggle. Yes, the UMC is rife with absurdity at the top, but I am watching miracles unfold in my local congregation. And overall, the trend of the entire denomination has been strongly conservative at the last 2 General Conferences (2000 and 2004), soundly rejecting the gay agenda. And the geographic areas with radical leftist leadership are also the ones suffering severe membership decline, while the conservative Bible-believing conferences are growing in numbers and influence.


20 posted on 11/17/2004 9:11:35 AM PST by LikeLight ("You will regret any attempts to turn these posts into a comic book.")
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To: Humidston

I'm sure that you are happy where you attend church, if you do. And I can assure you that I am aware of the NCC/WCC and while I do not support these groups, I intend to stay a Methodist.


21 posted on 11/17/2004 9:16:26 AM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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To: BereanBrain

Here in the area of Columbus, Georgia and Phenix City, Alabama we have a score of United Methodist Churches and one very small single Independent Methodist Church. I noticed the Independent Church supported missionaries in the Ukraine which is good but I wonder if it would not be more productive to support missionaries (or agents) to the United Methodist Churches.

The typical Methodist is conservative and enjoys studying the Bible and hates the liberal directions of the bureaucratic body.

The "exploitation of workers" is supported by the UMs despite their rhetoric against it. The board of Global Ministries was a cheering section for the Sandinistas. They have no problem with China's toy triangle because those slaves get free dental care.

I think basic Methodist doctrine is great and much more Biblical than the "Churches of Christ" but I do admire the less bureaucratic structure of those Campbellites.


22 posted on 11/17/2004 9:22:30 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (Technology advances but human nature is dependably stagnant)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr

It's a free country and if you intend to stay in your church, that's your call. Just don't give them your money unless you like the socialist, communist, and totalitarian causes they endorse and support.


23 posted on 11/17/2004 9:27:14 AM PST by Humidston (Cheney cleaned the floor with that little GIRLY BOY Edwards!!!)
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To: Humidston
And to what church do you belong?

Just don't give them your money unless you like the socialist, communist, and totalitarian causes they endorse and support.

Gosh, can I still give to our missions society?

24 posted on 11/17/2004 9:35:21 AM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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To: BereanBrain

It's happening even in the backwaters of America.
A Methodist church in Williamsport MD held a "blessing of the beasts" and they included a photo in the local paper.
A woman clad in a black hooded robe stood barefoot in the Novemember cold, blessing the resident's critters.
Until I read the caption, I thought it was some sort of pagan thing.
My gramma goes to that church and she despises W, in accordance with her pastor's will.

She's 80-something and the thought of her amongst all that new-age jazz freaks me out.


25 posted on 11/17/2004 9:39:02 AM PST by Salamander ("Nothing which is morally wrong can ever be politically correct")
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To: LikeLight

Hurrah for the growth, but the majority isn't always right.


26 posted on 11/17/2004 9:41:26 AM PST by goch1
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To: LikeLight

My congregation sounds so much like yours. We have that Bible out every Sunday reading and receiving from it. You can designate your offering so that it does not support anything you do not approve. Denco


27 posted on 11/17/2004 9:47:23 AM PST by denco (denco)
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To: LikeLight

Thank you for this good report.


28 posted on 11/17/2004 9:49:39 AM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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To: goch1
Hurrah for the growth, but the majority isn't always right.

I think the same thing, when I see the "majority such as yourself" attacking my church.

29 posted on 11/17/2004 9:50:50 AM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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To: Monterrosa-24
...but I wonder if it would not be more productive to support missionaries (or agents) to the United Methodist Churches.

Exactly. The reason I have stayed in the UMC all these years is just that. I don't get outside support, but I am a missionary. It's not a stealth thing. My church is my mission field. That's why I'm there.

30 posted on 11/17/2004 9:57:35 AM PST by LikeLight ("You will regret any attempts to turn these posts into a comic book.")
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To: AxelPaulsenJr

>>And to what church do you belong?<<

Not that I'm required to answer, but if you insist, I belong to a church affiliated with the Dallas Theological Seminary. ( http://www.dts.edu/ ) It's an independent Bible church and we support many missions abroad including Christians working in Beslan Russia where the children were taken hostage and blown up by Muslims who hated them and the message their parents teach.

Sunday we'll be making baskets (550) for the poor in our small community. We'll be working hard well past the time you might spend watching a good football game Sunday afternoon.

I left my Episcopal church in 1964 because of the heresy they were teaching. I learned then what the enemy was doing to corrupt mainline religions and lying to its members.

Burn your offering in the BBQ. It'll do just as much good.


31 posted on 11/17/2004 10:03:02 AM PST by Humidston (Cheney cleaned the floor with that little GIRLY BOY Edwards!!!)
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To: Humidston

I should have added "IMHO* to my last sentence. Sorry, but I have a real short temper when it comes to the leftists who have taken over our beloved churches!


32 posted on 11/17/2004 10:05:58 AM PST by Humidston (Cheney cleaned the floor with that little GIRLY BOY Edwards!!!)
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To: mbarker12474
I bailed on the UMC a while back. There are some good people in some local UMC churches, trying to be a light in a darkening room. I couldn't continue.
33 posted on 11/17/2004 11:09:02 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: mbarker12474

The Methodist Church is probably further to the left than even the Episcopalian Church.

There a lot of conservative Methodists, but they are leaking away to other fundamentalist Christian churches very rapidly.


34 posted on 11/17/2004 11:13:30 AM PST by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Humidston
Not that I'm required to answer, but if you insist, I belong to a church affiliated with the Dallas Theological Seminary. ( http://www.dts.edu/ ) It's an independent Bible church and we support many missions abroad including Christians working in Beslan Russia where the children were taken hostage and blown up by Muslims who hated them and the message their parents teach.

I'm not sure why the defensive tone. As Al Gore might say in this case, "There is no controlling legal authority". As far as missions go, the United Methodist Church sponsors numerous missions in Russia as well.

Sunday we'll be making baskets (550) for the poor in our small community. We'll be working hard well past the time you might spend watching a good football game Sunday afternoon.

Excellent, keep up the good work.

I left my Episcopal church in 1964 because of the heresy they were teaching. I learned then what the enemy was doing to corrupt mainline religions and lying to its members.

I have chosen to stay in my Methodist Church to try to work reform from the inside. And also, our local Methodist Church only pays lipservice to what comes down from the national office.

Burn your offering in the BBQ. It'll do just as much good.

Well in another time and place I might argue with you on this point. But quite honestly at this time I am more worried about the back door attempt by hanoi john kerry to steal Ohio with the aid of the Green party.

35 posted on 11/17/2004 12:21:16 PM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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To: BereanBrain
) Gender roles diminished 2) Israel Abandoned
3) Theology becomes "grey"
4) Homosexuality promoted
5) People leave in droves

That is a sure way to destroy it.

36 posted on 11/19/2004 6:14:35 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: mbarker12474
I just don't get their new slogan, Open Hearts, Open Minds.

I understand the open hearts but open minds makes me wonder. Do they mean we should have an open mind to behavior that is sinful?

37 posted on 11/19/2004 6:17:20 AM PST by mware
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To: Humidston

I have tried a few times over the years, but have yet to find anything useful.
I have been invited by people who came to my door looking for additional congregants. I would mention that I don’t own a suit. I was still welcome – if I came in late and sat in the back.
Another church (in Pennsylvania) accepted my late wife – she had a 10th grade education. I was straight out told not to bother because they didn’t need my kind – I have a BA.
I have not had a whole lot of luck.


38 posted on 11/19/2004 6:19:14 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Humidston

I did and it broke my heart to do so. I'm sure the little churches, one of which I gave my heart and life to for many years, have no idea what really goes on. I wouldn't tithe to the UMC because I didn't know where the money was going. When I did begin to tithe at one UMC I was attending, I told them to put it into the pastor's housing fund.


39 posted on 11/19/2004 6:21:39 AM PST by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: Humidston

Absolutely.


40 posted on 11/19/2004 6:25:08 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: mware

Exactly. I believe, perhaps wrongly, that it's an invitation to homosexuals to attend and feel welcome, blah, blah, blah. I do feel homosexuals should be in church, but not running it!


41 posted on 11/19/2004 6:26:00 AM PST by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: Humidston

If your "church" is on this list, abandon it. http://www.ncccusa.org/members/index.html


42 posted on 11/19/2004 6:30:20 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Salamander
We once had a Methodist Bishop in our state who had TWO PACS for the sole purpose of promoting the Democrat nominee for governor BECAUSE she was pro-choice. This idiot was also the Methodist church lobbyist to the legislature.

So much for the "separation of church and state."

43 posted on 11/19/2004 6:34:59 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Humidston
Burn your offering in the BBQ. It'll do just as much good.

It would be better to burn it in the BBQ than to give it to an apostate church such as the UMC, and many others. At least the burned money won't be working against what you believe in.

44 posted on 11/19/2004 6:39:55 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

They only demand "separation" if it's a conservative issue.


45 posted on 11/19/2004 12:07:51 PM PST by Salamander ("Nothing which is morally wrong can ever be politically correct")
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