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To: usadave
Now you're starting to list those types of jobs that Americans WILL gladly do and have traditionally done over the decades.

C'mon. Like I said, Americans NOWADAYS. Sorry, but the Americans of today are not the hardworking, toiling Americans of yesteryear. No matter how broke someone is, they're not going to work at McDonald's or pick soybeans for $5.75 an hour. That's just how some people are.

62 posted on 11/17/2004 10:51:45 AM PST by BlkConserv
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To: BlkConserv
No matter how broke someone is, they're not going to work at McDonald's or pick soybeans for $5.75 an hour.

That's a good argument for gutting welfare programs, not rewarding illegal border-jumpers that might include terrorists.

64 posted on 11/17/2004 10:55:39 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Deport 'em all; let Fox sort 'em out!)
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To: BlkConserv

"C'mon. Like I said, Americans NOWADAYS. Sorry, but the Americans of today are not the hardworking, toiling Americans of yesteryear. No matter how broke someone is, they're not going to work at McDonald's or pick soybeans for $5.75 an hour. That's just how some people are."


You know, those words are very insulting to those of us who are Americans and who work in the trades and at blue-collar jobs in this country. As they say in the South, you don't know your butt from a hole in the ground. You really need to climb down out of your ivory tower and get out more. There are PLENTY of hard-working American citizens in this country. People have been spouting the old "it's impossible to find good help these days" line for decades in this country - incidentally most of the time using it to justify paying crap wages.


83 posted on 11/17/2004 12:52:03 PM PST by EagleMamaMT
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To: BlkConserv
C'mon. Like I said, Americans NOWADAYS. Sorry, but the Americans of today are not the hardworking, toiling Americans of yesteryear. No matter how broke someone is, they're not going to work at McDonald's or pick soybeans for $5.75 an hour. That's just how some people are.

Interesting. So by this line of reasoning, how do Americans of Mexican/Hispanic descent factor in? Are they naturally lazy because they're American, or are they hardworking because "it's in their genes"?

Considering the cost of living, especially in expensive cities such as Los Angeles, San Francisco or New York, why should anyone be expected to consider $5.75 a decent hourly wage? I suppose if you have 12 or 15 people crammed together in an apartment with sleeping bags where the furniture is supposed to be, you could make ends meet, but other than that, how far do you think that kind of money is supposed to go?

As for the "Americans of yesteryear," plenty of them are still alive, albeit a bit older. What data do you have that shows how many of these older citizens are picking lettuce or cleaning motel rooms or whatever you say Americans won't do?

If I wasn't watching my home state crumble before my eyes, I'd find all of this pro-illegal rhetoric really comical.

91 posted on 11/17/2004 3:14:50 PM PST by cartman90210 ("Sorry kids, those people from the future will do the same job for 25 cents!")
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To: BlkConserv
C'mon. Like I said, Americans NOWADAYS. Sorry, but the Americans of today are not the hardworking, toiling Americans of yesteryear. No matter how broke someone is, they're not going to work at McDonald's or pick soybeans for $5.75 an hour. That's just how some people are.

I think you're painting with a pretty broad brush there. I personally know of several teenagers (the children of friends and neighbors) who work at fast food restaurants and at other jobs that pay minimum wage. As far as picking produce goes, most of that work is seasonal which requires a person to change jobs every 3-5 months and usually entails traveling from one part of the state to another (or even to neighboring states) to follow the crop harvesting season. Most Americans tend to like putting down roots in one place and have a full-time job year round.

104 posted on 11/17/2004 5:38:17 PM PST by usadave
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