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GOP seeks to repeal food labeling law
MSNBC ^ | 17 November 2004 | MSNBC

Posted on 11/17/2004 5:38:24 PM PST by Veritas et equitas ad Votum

Telling consumers where their meat, fruit and vegetables came from seemed such a good idea to U.S. ranchers and farmers in competition with imports that Congress two years ago ordered the food industry to do it. But meatpackers and food processors fought the law from the start, and newly emboldened Republicans now plan to repeal it before Thanksgiving.

As part of the 2002 farm bill, country-of-origin labeling was supposed to have gone into effect this fall. Congress last year postponed it until 2006. Now, House Republicans are trying to wipe it off the books as part of a spending bill they plan to finish this month.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fda; foodlabeling; foodlabels; gop; hepatitis; labels; madcow
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I'm not sure about this issue. Is it an attempt to reduce the size of the federal government or a favor to multinational corporations at the expense of the American consumer?

Are foods grown in America safer than those grown elsewhere? Remember the recall of scallions last year...

Do we the People have a right to know where goods come from? Is it wise and/or effective to boycott goods from unknown places?

Is the FDA Constitutional? Should it be eliminated all together?

Looking for some opinions on this one...
1 posted on 11/17/2004 5:38:24 PM PST by Veritas et equitas ad Votum
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum

Seems like a stupid issue to spend your "political capital" on.


2 posted on 11/17/2004 5:39:46 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum
Is it an attempt to reduce the size of the federal government or a favor to multinational corporations at the expense of the American consumer?

The latter.

3 posted on 11/17/2004 5:44:14 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum

The GOP can be so bleeping stupid.


4 posted on 11/17/2004 5:46:00 PM PST by AM2000 (I am not responsible for the contents of this post.)
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum

I'm with the GOP on this.

If you want to know where your food is coming from, ask the people that display it.

Here's the bottomline-

The extra labeling translates into higher pricing on your products. It's unnecessary clutter we did perfectly well without before they made it mandatory.



5 posted on 11/17/2004 5:49:51 PM PST by Soul Seeker
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum

"I'm not sure about this issue. Is it an attempt to reduce the size of the federal government or a favor to multinational corporations at the expense of the American consumer? "

I vote for the latter.


6 posted on 11/17/2004 5:56:04 PM PST by nosofar
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To: ninenot; A. Pole; Willie Green

ping


7 posted on 11/17/2004 6:01:57 PM PST by raybbr
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; Jhoffa_; FITZ; arete; FreedomPoster; ..
Producers in favor of mandatory labels believe consumers will prefer U.S.-grown food over foreign imports. The law requires companies to put country-of-origin labels on meat, vegetables and fruit.

Why the freetraders do not like it? They should be proud of importing food instead of hiding it.

8 posted on 11/17/2004 6:13:45 PM PST by A. Pole (Col.Guano: I think General Ripper found out about your preversion, and your [...]mutiny of preverts.)
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To: A. Pole

and that Mexican food will have all those "free" extras - like pesticides and disease. I'll be eating more stuff from italy.


9 posted on 11/17/2004 6:19:08 PM PST by oceanview
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum
Those of us who don't worry about what is in the food that comes from the super market or restaurant are victims. I believe we have a right to know what chemicals are used in our food.
some opinions...
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10 posted on 11/17/2004 6:19:49 PM PST by hookman
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To: A. Pole; FlaAvalanche; mattdono

"They should be proud of importing food instead of hiding it."

Exactly. Hiding something as basic as where a product is produced makes me very nervous.


11 posted on 11/17/2004 6:21:12 PM PST by Veritas et equitas ad Votum (If the Constitution "lives and breathes", it dies.)
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To: hookman

Aren't we being told that importing pharmaceuticals from other countries might not be safe?

How is that different than importing food from other countries?


12 posted on 11/17/2004 6:23:13 PM PST by Veritas et equitas ad Votum (If the Constitution "lives and breathes", it dies.)
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum
We have a "RIGHT TO KNOW" as the press says. Why are they hiding this? It IF labeling favors US farmers, what is the problem? Don't tell me the Dems represent Americans and the GOP is starting to abandon us. Who got paid how much?
13 posted on 11/17/2004 6:26:08 PM PST by Henchman (BORK SPECTER. Email your friends and relatives. PLEASE do it now!)
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum

I want to know where the food my family eats comes from. Some of the underdeveloped countries use fertilizers that are repulsive.


14 posted on 11/17/2004 6:30:11 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum

The Stupid Party does it again. Great way to live up the image The Evil Party portrays them as being.


15 posted on 11/17/2004 6:30:25 PM PST by Clintonfatigued
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum
What's the problem, just put a sticker on your product:

Or if the case may be: Made in SA


16 posted on 11/17/2004 6:32:15 PM PST by red flanker
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum
Is the FDA Constitutional? Should it be eliminated all together?

No, and yes.

17 posted on 11/17/2004 6:32:43 PM PST by IStillBelieve (G.W. Bush '04: Biggest popular-vote victory in history, and first popular-vote majority in 16 years!)
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum

I have the right to know what I purchase. If they have to put a made in the USA label on things, they should have to put a grown in the USA label on it too.


18 posted on 11/17/2004 6:39:21 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum

I live in Ireland.

A country that has 'disease free' status in Europe. (That's why the foot and mouth disease crisis that hit a couple of years back demanded that herds were culled and burned to eradicate the disease).

I will ONLY eat Irish beef.

Because, I am gauranteed that there is NO CJD cattle being slaughtered for human consumption.

I think as a consumer THAT is my right. If I want to by cheap imported cuts of meat, I can. But I don't. I want to KNOW where my meat and veg come from. And I'll pay for a product I'm confident in.


19 posted on 11/17/2004 6:40:40 PM PST by Happygal (liberalism - a narrow tribal outlook largely founded on class prejudice)
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum

Hmmm we can't know where our food comes from but we can't buy drugs from Canada. That makes sense. The guys are a joke.


20 posted on 11/17/2004 6:41:37 PM PST by OneTimeLurker
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To: OneTimeLurker

It sickens me how much influence the pharmaceutical industry has over Congress and the administration.


21 posted on 11/17/2004 6:44:37 PM PST by IStillBelieve (G.W. Bush '04: Biggest popular-vote victory in history, and first popular-vote majority in 16 years!)
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To: janetgreen

This "overdeveloped" country uses preservatives that are repulsive!!!


22 posted on 11/17/2004 6:46:39 PM PST by hookman
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum

"The Agriculture Department has estimated the cost could range from hundreds of millions to billions of dollars in the first year alone."

What are the specific reasons for this extra cost?


23 posted on 11/17/2004 6:46:39 PM PST by IStillBelieve (G.W. Bush '04: Biggest popular-vote victory in history, and first popular-vote majority in 16 years!)
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum

What's to stop US meat producers from putting something like "Proudly Made in the USA" on their products? Consumers could easily look for that type of label in order to avoid other products with no such label.


24 posted on 11/17/2004 6:50:55 PM PST by IStillBelieve (G.W. Bush '04: Biggest popular-vote victory in history, and first popular-vote majority in 16 years!)
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To: IStillBelieve

why not just, "Trust us, it's safe!"?


25 posted on 11/17/2004 6:59:08 PM PST by hookman
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To: hookman

That's true too!


26 posted on 11/17/2004 7:18:23 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum
I'm not sure about this issue. Is it an attempt to reduce the size of the federal government or a favor to multinational corporations at the expense of the American consumer?

What matters to me is I would like to know where the food I eat comes from, period.

27 posted on 11/17/2004 7:21:52 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum

Because US agri-business has been in the forefront in bringing in cheap and illegal labor, I will not shed a tear if many go out of business due to cheap imports.


28 posted on 11/17/2004 7:26:13 PM PST by RFT1
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum

That is a bad idea. I want to know where my food comes from. Particularly meat and vegatables.


29 posted on 11/17/2004 7:28:07 PM PST by sport
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum

More consumer knowledge is always a good thing, both for free markets and the economy in general.


30 posted on 11/17/2004 7:28:49 PM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum

"GOP seeks to repeal food labeling law"

This is not good. Only someone with something to hide would even suggest such a thing. Dumb move.

How about repealing Congessional perks instead...


31 posted on 11/17/2004 7:40:04 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Shoot low boys, they're ridin' Shetland ponies)
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum
I'm not sure about this issue. Is it an attempt to reduce the size of the federal government or a favor to multinational corporations at the expense of the American consumer?

I'm pretty sure about it - it's closer to "favor to multinational corporations at the expense of the American consumer."

These products already have labels on them, so there is no significant additional cost attached to the practice of labeling the country of origin. Food brought in from Mexico hasn't been raised with the same standards as food raised stateside. The result is lower (or at least 'different') quality. I have no problem with consumers having more information rather than less.

This isn't a bright issue for the GOP to spend some ofthat political capital on. They are wrong in this.

32 posted on 11/17/2004 7:46:52 PM PST by HitmanLV (HitmanNY has a brand new Blog!! Please Visit! - http://www.goldust.com/weblog -)
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum
Good point.

"No label = no sale."

33 posted on 11/17/2004 7:55:51 PM PST by Ed_in_NJ (Who killed Suzanne Coleman?)
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum

There is nothing wrong with labeling food with the country of origin. In fact, I eat nothing from Mexico, so I definitely want it labeled.

What's wrong with some basic info like "made/grown in ...."?

What are we, mushrooms?


34 posted on 11/17/2004 7:59:55 PM PST by little jeremiah (Moral absolutes are what make humans human.)
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To: Soul Seeker

Sorry....I would like to know where the food I ingest comes from. If it's foreign, the companies importing it should have to label it. Everything else we purchase is labeled with country of origin....why should food be any different?


35 posted on 11/17/2004 8:37:28 PM PST by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: Katya

If you want to know do what people have done for centuries, ask your local clerk.

Knowing where the fruit or vegatable came from guarentees you nothing. They can be contaminated in another country or at any point of transit. I find it a vanity law, to be honest. Most Americans do not take time to search their produce for geographical locations.


36 posted on 11/17/2004 8:43:51 PM PST by Soul Seeker
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To: IStillBelieve

There's an important active and related issue: ranchers and beef processors recently did not want a rancher/producer to advertise their beef as being free of Mad Cow Disease -- even after this one company paid for their own tests -- because it might force the rest of the industry to test for this disease.

The government claimed that this big marketing advantage to that one company (who was willing to pay for the tests) would have the effect of scaring consumers of all the other American beef -- beef grown and processed by companies not willing to pay for the expense of testing.

Our first term Bush (i.e. Republican) administration allowed banning the testing by this company and thus they could not claim that their beef was free of Mad Cow Disease for export markets, particularly to the picky Japanese market that cares about what they eat.

The Republican administration chose to protect domestic producers, and thus ruled against domestic consumers. For more details see Acres, USA (a liberal organic farmer magazine).

THE ONLY THING THE FDA SHOULD BE DOING IS PUTTING TRUTHFUL CONSUMER LABELING AND TESTING OF FOOD AND DRUGS... AND THAT INCLUDES COUNTRY OF ORIGIN!

Otherwise, these inbred departments can be eliminated.

The Republican party is way off the mark on this issue on labeling and consumer protection. This issue will reflect poorly on this second term. The press will be yelling "Fat Cat, Fat Cat... Halliburton food processors!" all over again."

Please remember the Clinton donor that got caught selling imported and tainted strawberries illegally to the school lunch program (no imports allowed) in Clinton's second term, I believe. These strawberries which made 100's of children sick were grown in a Central American country and they were contaminated with human excrement discharge. Those school kitchens thought they were from the U.S.

If you can't know what you're eating, then at least you should know where it came from.

Hoppy


37 posted on 11/17/2004 10:43:01 PM PST by Hop A Long Cassidy
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum

>to favor multinational corporations at the expense of the American consumer<

Not only the consumer but at the expense (and demise) of the American farmer and fruit grower, for Petes sake!

IMO the Food & Drug Administration is far overstepping their job description.


38 posted on 11/17/2004 10:50:49 PM PST by Paperdoll (on the cutting edge: OUR FIGHT HAS JUST BEGUN)
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To: A. Pole

I always buy Pictsweet brand frozen vegetables. "Grown in U.S.A".


39 posted on 11/18/2004 3:29:21 AM PST by snopercod (Bigger government means clinton won. Less freedom means Osama won. Get it?)
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To: All
Bring.. It.. On!

Big tobacco lost billions for knowingly selling a harmful product.

Food contaminated by chemicals and human feces is harmful.

Therefore, LOOK OUT BIG FOOD!

(Oh. Big Food, keep records of who you are paying off. We'll let you off easier when we can take the retirement incomes of corrupt and dangerous political hacks and see to it that they are all hanged -- after a fair trial, of course.)

40 posted on 11/18/2004 4:31:00 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (MSM Fraudcasters are skid marks on journalism's clean shorts.)
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum

How more ill can the Republicrats, who snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, make us?


41 posted on 11/18/2004 4:58:05 AM PST by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: RFT1

" Because US agri-business has been in the forefront in bringing in cheap and illegal labor,"

I like this point, and certainly imported food doesn't need to be picked or packaged by illegals in America.

If the US companies that employ illegals go out of business, will the illegals go home or drive labor costs down in other industries?

I'm starting to wonder how close we are to having a one-party government. While they put on a good show during campaigns and in press conferences, none of these people seem to put the American people at the top of their priority lists...


42 posted on 11/18/2004 5:22:46 AM PST by Veritas et equitas ad Votum (If the Constitution "lives and breathes", it dies.)
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To: oceanview

Yummy - get your Hepatitus A and B vaccinations before grocery shopping!


43 posted on 11/18/2004 6:06:25 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: red flanker

Truth in advertising. Charlize is South African.


44 posted on 11/18/2004 6:16:17 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: HitmanNY
This isn't a bright issue for the GOP to spend some ofthat political capital on. They are wrong in this.

What political capital are they spending?

45 posted on 11/18/2004 8:28:19 AM PST by lucysmom
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To: IStillBelieve
What are the specific reasons for this extra cost?

I'd like to know that too. Adding a couple of words to a label costs nothing. Perhaps they're worried about the extra ink?

46 posted on 11/18/2004 8:36:17 AM PST by lucysmom
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum

I really hope they don't do this. Time to get working on a garden in the Spring I guess.


47 posted on 11/18/2004 8:38:08 AM PST by KoRn
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To: Soul Seeker

Again...everything else we purchase shows country of origin...why shouldn food be exempted?


48 posted on 11/19/2004 6:27:18 AM PST by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum

This is what you voted for, revell in it.

The democrats are a socialist nightmare. They pretend to care about us while they shove the knife between our ribs. Republicans just shove the thing in and look for another good spot to poke at for a larger percentage. But, they do have Rove to tell us it's good for us.. Who needs that label anyhow.. It only gives you some idea about whether what you're eating is going to make you ill or not. We can't be bothered with your well being when there's money to be made. And as the free traders would remind us, ethical considerations are anathema where money is concerned. The odd thing is that our forefathers would have had the sense to be incited by what we're putting up with now.


49 posted on 11/21/2004 1:24:51 PM PST by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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To: lucysmom; et al
What are the specific reasons for this extra cost?

I'd like to know that too. Adding a couple of words to a label costs nothing. Perhaps they're worried about the extra ink?

There might the be added cost of verifying the information. Still, I say "Label it and let the consumer decide".

Some years ago there was a flap over whether or not dairy companies should label milk cartons as to whether or not their cows were given RbSt (a growth hormone that increased milk production). The dairy lobby said no labels, the FDA supported that saying that it was not considered an additive to the final product. How stupid are we? I will make the decisions about what edibles enter my house, thank you very much.

again: Label it and let the consumer decide!

50 posted on 11/21/2004 3:33:02 PM PST by freelancer (If we do not win the war against terrorism, everything else is irrelevant.)
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