Posted on 11/18/2004 9:25:53 AM PST by churchillbuff
The ACLU has done a lot more to curtail our freedoms, in a practical sense, than Islamic fundamentalists -- it's because of the ACLU that we can't pray at school graduations, the Boy Scouts now can't be sponsored by military bases, Los Angeles County has to erase the cross (a sign of the historic California missions) from its seal; can't have a Christmas creche at city hall; can't put 10 Commandments in town square; gay marriage is being forced on some states by ACLU lawsuit; citizens can't enact reasonable protections for the unborn. I don't know of any Muslims who are members of the ACLU - - - lots of liberal Jews and secular gentiles, though, all of them, apparently, despisers of Christianity in particular.
My question: Bush and Rumsfeld are tough toward Saddam, but why don't they stand up to the ACLU on the Boy Scout issue? Why are they allowing Scouts to be kicked off military bases? Are they only courageous against "easy" foreign villains, like Saddam -- and the French? Standing up to home-grown enemies of freedom - ACLU, Ted Kennedy, liberals in general -- takes real courage. I'd like to see more of it from the White House.
The ACLU is godless and evil, BUT, ISLAM wants to kill us. Gotta go with Islam as more evil.
The ACLU is a tool of the communist left. They frequently omit parts of the Bill of Rights. The two most noticeable are the parts I outlined below in parenthesis and caps.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,(OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF); or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state,(THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED).
Really? Does that include Muslims in Turkey and Egypt? Or the Muslims in San Francisco who staged public protests against giving marriage licenses to homosexuals?
If that is true, then is it any wonder that the organization is anti-American and directs its efforts at every opportunity to trash the U.S. Constitution.
If that is true, then is it any wonder that the organization is anti-American and directs its efforts at every opportunity to trash the U.S. Constitution.
I agree with you that in the practical sense the ACLU has affected America more directly than Islamic terrorists. I live in NYC and even though many of us witness the horror of 9/11, after about a week or so things were pretty much back to normal as far as going about one's business. Sometimes I feel that the ACLU is a necessary pain in the ass, and I disagree with perhaps 80-90% of the causes they support. Rather than outlaw them, one has to find a way to take the wind out of their sails. Being the courts are an area where liberals still hold a lot of sway--no wonder they get all hot and bothered about judicial appointments.
Do you?
I agree with you that in the practical sense the ACLU has affected America more directly than Islamic terrorists. I live in NYC and even though many of us witness the horror of 9/11, after about a week or so things were pretty much back to normal as far as going about one's business. Sometimes I feel that the ACLU is a necessary pain in the ass, and I disagree with perhaps 80-90% of the causes they support. Rather than outlaw them, one has to find a way to take the wind out of their sails. Being the courts are an area where liberals still hold a lot of sway--no wonder they get all hot and bothered about judicial appointments.
Don't be duped, if you actually read and follow the Koran you will be a terrorist. The "muslims" who are not murderous simply do not follow the teachings of Mohammed exactly as preached, thus, they are also murdered.
Exactly my point! Islam wants to kill us because we would ever allow a group like the ACLU to exist. We can defeat the ACLU in the marketplace of ideas, and I believe we are. We cannot reason with Islam as ACTUALLY preached by Mohammed. http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/terrorist1.html explains it all.
So all Islamists want to kill us -- even Egypt wants to kill us, even Turkey (isn't Turkey a member of NATO? Fact check, please). Get off it. You can quote the Koran -- but you can also quote passages from the old testament that could be used to claim that believers in Jehovah should slay all infidels. The fact that there are radical "Christians" in Northern Ireland who'll kill people because they believe differently doesn't mean all Christianity should be condemned.
A two front war, if you ask me....
The ACLU is a greater threat to "freedom" in general. Islamic Radicals are a threat to our very existence though.
Raed the Koran. Until Islamic staes can be secularized there will only be jihad and murder.
I didn't realize there was a difference.
WHERE ARE BUSH AND RUMSFELD TO STICK UP FOR THE BOY SCOUTS? WHY IS NOONE ON FR ASKING OR ANSWERING THIS QUESTION?
About Islam, Churchill said..."No stronger retrograde force exists in the world."
Next time a Muslim brings a lawsuit to force gay marriage, or ban a creche or the 10 Commandments, let me know.
This is like asking if Satan is more dangerous than Satan? Both groups are depraved monsters.
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