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Reports of Kim's demise exaggerated (Kim losing face in North Korea?)
theaustralian.news.com.au ^ | November 19, 2004 | Peter Alford

Posted on 11/18/2004 8:30:23 PM PST by Destro

Reports of Kim's demise exaggerated

Peter Alford, Tokyo correspondent

November 19, 2004

"DON'T have a reaction, I'll leave it to the analysts," responded US State Department official Adam Ereli to questions about the significance of reports that North Korea's media had stopped calling Kim Jong-il "Dear Leader".

Mr Ereli was wise to resist the lure of Korean Kremlinology – the art of divining significance from scraps of enigmatic information that sometimes escape the world's most hermetic regime.

Within hours, Yonhap, a South Korean news agency, reported that Pyongyang newspapers were replete with the usual garlands reserved for Mr Kim's glorification, including "Great General" and "Great Leader".

His alleged titular downgrading had been taken as more evidence something was amiss for the bouffant-styled, Cuban-heeled leader of North Korea's collective dictatorship.

It began on Monday with a report by Russian agency Itar-Tass that on some official walls in Pyongyang, 63-year-old Mr Kim's portrait was no longer in its customary spot.

There were second- and third-hand reports of counter-revolutionary scrawlings on official posters, though a diplomat noted wryly: "The visitors who saw them couldn't read Korean so we don't know what they meant."

Factional strife within the 200 families who reputedly run everything that matters in North Korea – perhaps, even an uprising? More likely another sign of the threadbare nature of Korean Kremlinology, says the International Crisis Group's northeast Asia project director, Peter Beck, one of a couple of handfuls of American specialists who actually speak Korean.

"Some pictures missing from a wall do not a coup make," said Mr Beck. "What do these factoids mean? Maybe something, if there's enough of them, but at this stage probably nothing." In fact, as Mr Beck suggested, the real action is happening in Washington.

There President George W. Bush is expressing his frustration with the lack of progress in neutralising problems like the Dear Leader with a great overhaul of his foreign and intelligence services.

That is the space Mr Kim is probably watching most closely.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: northkorea

1 posted on 11/18/2004 8:30:24 PM PST by Destro
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To: Destro

Please Kim Jong-Il, just die.


2 posted on 11/18/2004 8:33:13 PM PST by Ptarmigan (Proud rabbit hater and killer)
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To: Destro
“I’m so Ronry”
3 posted on 11/18/2004 8:34:39 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

This is a very interesting piece!


4 posted on 11/18/2004 8:41:14 PM PST by ConservativeMan55 (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: Destro

If I were Mr. Kim, I might arrange to have some posters come down, and to have the media stop calling me "Dear Leader" for a little while, to give the appearance that I was losing a grip on power, and thus, fomenting conditions for an attempted coup. Then, I would round up those people and, uh, re-educate them. Yeah, that's the ticket. Then the pictures would go back up, and the media ordered to resume their previous practices. And I would sleep a little better knowing that some unwanted chaff had been blown out of the society.


5 posted on 11/18/2004 8:55:51 PM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: coloradan

Not if those attacking Kim are from those 200 ruling families who have their own power base?


6 posted on 11/18/2004 8:57:49 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

Wouldn't it be sweet if Kim fell during the GWB administration?!


7 posted on 11/18/2004 9:01:34 PM PST by jimfree (Your heros say something about your view of heroism.)
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To: coloradan

That's what I was thinking too... a ruse to smoke out anyone who "had ideas."

8 posted on 11/18/2004 9:02:13 PM PST by Nick Danger (The number you have dialed, 1-800-KERRY, has been disconnected or is no longer in service.)
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To: Destro
How much do you bet that someone smuggled copies of Team America over there recently?

Full Disclosure: America, F*CK YEAH!

9 posted on 11/18/2004 9:21:09 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Destro
How much do you bet that someone smuggled copies of Team America over there recently?

Full Disclosure: America, F*CK YEAH!

10 posted on 11/18/2004 9:21:54 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: appalachian_dweller; Calpernia; TapTheSource; Revel; Velveeta; callmejoe; Cindy

Ping


11 posted on 11/18/2004 9:23:44 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (Today, please pray for God's miracle, we are not going to make it without him.)
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To: Nick Danger
Praise Dear Leader

From Paek-du mountains, 1000km long beautiful realm All look up to the General and cheer him. He is the people's leader to inherit the great work of the Sun. Long live, long live, General Kim Jeong-Il !

Millions of flowers on the earth tell us his love. Blue waves of the ocean sing of his work. He is the creator of happiness to grow the garden of Ju-che. Long live, long live, General Kim Jeong-Il !

He protects socialism with his courage like steel. He makes our country famous in the world. He is the defender of justice with a flag of autonomy. Long live, long live, General Kim Jeong-Il !

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Contest for Alternate Words?

Me first

He avoids explosions all over the place and hides his face Gets import round-eye hookers and French Cognac while people starve His Delusions of grandeur builds nukes and rockets so big Kim jung-il - Did someone finally have enough or are they all nuts...

12 posted on 11/18/2004 9:27:22 PM PST by BigEdLB (BigEd)
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To: BigEdLB

He is Super Happy Fun dictator! Parents eat their own children in honor of his greatness which is in his own mind! He is small of stature but big of ego and he has big plan for Great Leap Forward which will only cost half of the lives of his people this year! Starvation and deprivation are the true path to abandonment of the body and therefore total Socialist Enlightenment! Long Live His Shortness!


13 posted on 11/18/2004 9:39:21 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel ("Nature abhors a moron."-H.L. Mencken)
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Arafat's dead, then alive...then dead again....and alive again

Kim has plenty of dead - live cycles to go before he's actually dead.


14 posted on 11/18/2004 9:47:59 PM PST by Newshues
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

"He is Super Happy Fun dictator! Parents eat their own children in honor of his greatness which is in his own mind! He is small of stature but big of ego and he has big plan for Great Leap Forward which will only cost half of the lives of his people this year! Starvation and deprivation are the true path to abandonment of the body and therefore total Socialist Enlightenment! Long Live His Shortness!"



LOL! I can just imagine that spot running on North Korean TV (all 3 of them) with a disclaimer attached: "I'm Alec Baldwin, and I approve this message".


15 posted on 11/18/2004 9:59:53 PM PST by RockAgainsttheLeft04 ("America...F**K YEAH !" -Team America: World Police)
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To: jimfree

He will.


16 posted on 11/18/2004 11:40:50 PM PST by texasflower (Liberty can change habits. ~ President George W. Bush 10/08/04)
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