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Iraq at the Tipping Point
The New York Times ^ | THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

Posted on 11/18/2004 8:52:16 PM PST by PajamaTruthMafia

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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I think it was AP.

hidden message? Good question,, can you imagine how many thousands of shots have been taken but none quite like this that I have seen?

It caught my eye as sort of a ghostly observer of the aftermath of the goings on... even as it is a product of them as well.


21 posted on 11/18/2004 10:41:27 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

OOps, AFP not AP.


22 posted on 11/18/2004 10:41:56 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia
The insurgents' strategy is intimidation. The U.S. strategy is Iraqification. This is the struggle - and the intimidators are doing way too well. Without a secure environment in which its new leadership can be elected and comfortably operate, Iraq will never be able to breathe on its own, and U.S. troops will have to be here forever.

What this goober never bothers to note is that it's woefully easy to kill innocent people. Does he ever condemn this abhorrent practice? No. He comes across in my view as expressing near admiration for this terrorism.

23 posted on 11/19/2004 4:15:38 AM PST by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: Pastnowfuturealpha
Why can't we find out once and for all - Are more troops needed?

I found out long ago. But exactly how many times will military commanders need to say "No" before you're satisfied?

24 posted on 11/19/2004 4:17:38 AM PST by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: All

"Iraqis instead are resisting against terrorism and are not carrying out attacks, which instead are the work of foreign infiltrators. I have stressed this before: Saudis, Jordanians, Syrians and Sudanese have entered Iraq. Prime Minister Allawi has said this as well. And clearly, there are also Iraqi collaborators who, for money, help the terrorist hide."

--Archbishop of of Kirkuk Louis Sako

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1283688/posts


25 posted on 11/19/2004 4:18:30 AM PST by PajamaTruthMafia
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To: Pastnowfuturealpha
President Bush got on a ship and said the big part of the war was over - we had between 100 and 200(est) dead -

No. He said major combat operations were concluded, but that the mission continues.

Do you actually read, or do you just repeat Dem talking points?

26 posted on 11/19/2004 4:19:04 AM PST by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I read the article as being pretty square and upfront.


27 posted on 11/19/2004 4:27:57 AM PST by Eagle Eye (Al Anbar -- not just another bad neighborhood, it's a state of mind)
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To: Coop

I think that some of you guys let your predjudices against the NYT and this guy distort your views. I thought the article was good. And I've been to Falluja.


28 posted on 11/19/2004 4:34:04 AM PST by Eagle Eye (Al Anbar -- not just another bad neighborhood, it's a state of mind)
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To: Eagle Eye
I think that some of you guys let your predjudices against the NYT and this guy distort your views.

So be it. I have no prejudices against Friedman, but I admittedly despise the anti American NY Times.

And I stand by my comment. Explicit or implicit admiration for terrorist tactics is unacceptable.

29 posted on 11/19/2004 4:44:23 AM PST by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: oceanview
I don't like having to say this, but at some point, there have to be enough iraqis willing to fight to have their own country

This, of course, is the major risk of our present course.

There is no evidence whatsoever that there is an "Iraqi people", much less that they are capable of self-government.

We wish that it were so, and in the absence of a heavy occupation force we pray that it is so, but it probably is not so.

30 posted on 11/19/2004 4:52:09 AM PST by Jim Noble (FR Iraq policy debate begins 11/3/04. Pass the word.)
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To: Coop
And I stand by my comment. Explicit or implicit admiration for terrorist tactics is unacceptable.

You have invented that totally. It is not there.

Failure to condmen or condemn strongly enough is not admiration in any sort.

31 posted on 11/19/2004 5:30:27 AM PST by Eagle Eye (Al Anbar -- not just another bad neighborhood, it's a state of mind)
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To: Eagle Eye
You have invented that totally. It is not there.

Baloney.

But another thing remains impressively strong: The insurgents will go to any lengths to intimidate Iraqis away from joining the new government. Too many people, from cleaning women to deputy ministers, are being shot. The insurgents' strategy is intimidation. The U.S. strategy is Iraqification. This is the struggle - and the intimidators are doing way too well.

You don't have to agree with me, but don't accuse me of making stuff up. Trips to Fallujah or not.

32 posted on 11/19/2004 5:33:30 AM PST by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia
I read this during lunch yesterday.

Memo to self : NEVER read Friedman,Ivins,Cohen,Dowd,et al, while trying to eat.

33 posted on 11/19/2004 5:39:23 AM PST by Jackknife (.......Land of the Free,because of the Brave.)
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To: Coop

Wow. Here I am dealing with that stuff on a daily basis and you sit at home reading about it. I don't take offense and you do. What gives?

Can you say "Reading into it"?

Yeah, some of their intimidation is impressively effective. So does that mean I now admire them, too?


34 posted on 11/19/2004 5:50:10 AM PST by Eagle Eye (Al Anbar -- not just another bad neighborhood, it's a state of mind)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Death To all Islamofascist terrorists ~ Bump!


35 posted on 11/19/2004 7:56:07 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Eagle Eye
Yeah, some of their intimidation is impressively effective. So does that mean I now admire them, too?

Only you can answer that one, Partner.

36 posted on 11/19/2004 9:04:50 AM PST by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: Eagle Eye

Since you are over there, I would trust your judgement.....a reporter from the NY Times is not to be trusted.


37 posted on 11/19/2004 9:48:53 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: freakboy
Coming from the NYT, this is very good news.

Like just about everything coming from the New York Times, this is opinion, not news.

38 posted on 11/19/2004 9:53:48 AM PST by webheart (Pajamarazzi Rules!)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

Pssst... Hey Freidman, your team lost the election.

Fasten your seatbelts.


39 posted on 11/19/2004 10:01:31 AM PST by Preachin' (Democrats know that they can never run on their real agenda.)
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To: Republican Wildcat

and I don't mean to sound negative about this - I think we will pull it off too. but we need to work at it. these iraqi forces can't just be out there loading relief supplies into trucks and directing traffic. they have to be willing to fight, and die, like our soldiers are, every day. and while our forces have to abide by these sometimes insane rules of engagement, these iraqi forces need to instill fear in these insurgents.


40 posted on 11/19/2004 5:19:31 PM PST by oceanview
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