Posted on 11/20/2004 11:46:06 AM PST by TrebleRebel
A federal judge ruled yesterday that U.S. Postal Service officials had no special responsibility to alert workers at the Brentwood postal facility to deadly anthrax contamination in the building and cannot be sued by the employees.
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U.S. District Judge Rosemary M. Collyer said she found ample reason to believe that the officials showed deliberate indifference to worker safety by keeping the plant operating for four days after they privately confirmed the toxic spores had spread through the facility.
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Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch, said, "We can't imagine that in the end that courts will sanction government supervisors lying to workers about biological toxins infecting their workplace. Let's be clear about the consequences here: People are sick to this day and some are dead, and the courts are saying 'Tough luck.' "
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
But, here's an analogie in the form of a tale... Imagine a woman who gets a beautiful bouquet of unusual, exotic flowers anonymoussly, via delivery service. That same day she receives a letter, mailed the previous day, accompanied by a single unusual petal very like the flowers, minding her to watch for delivery of a whole bouquet of similar flowers. Does she believe that she has two secret admirers, both of whom favor the same exotic flower, and both of whom happened to choose that same day to send their tokens of admiration? Of course not. She knows they're from the same person.
And anthrax letters - even hoax letters - are far less common than bouquets of flowers and secret admirers.
Going on now...
What other topics could be of interest? Perhaps the Viet Namese woman in New York City? The one whose case of inhalation anthrax, alone among the 2001 anthrax cases, has not been attributed to a specific known or suspected letter.
Or maybe something else. As you said, Khan, when you began this discussion...
So what observations have *you* noticed that you have not posted or that may not be known widely? Never found the right thread to post it on? This is it.
John, this has been attributed to contaminated mail....BUT,an exhaustive investigation found no trace of anthrax in her apartment, her mailbox,the hospital she worked in,or the subway she normally used.
This is why I think there might have been a deliberate "plume" - type release : something easy to accomplish with a weaponized bioagent.
Bill Patrick,the retired "inventor" of the US bioweapons materials,demonstrated how such a weapon could work. He had a jar of (inert) material,which was in the form of a grayish-white powder.When he took the lid off,the powder "lifted off" from the jar,rose on air currents,and began drifting away. He told the author interviewing him the plume could travel for miles.
Imagine,if you will,you are part of a group that has mailed anthrax,and you still have a few grams left over.You have access to a helium tank and some balloons.You tuck a bit of "product" inside each balloon,and fill it with helium.
Away we go ,with no one the wiser.The balloons may travel a few blocks,or several miles.If they go high enough, they will break;but most will leak-slowly-and come to rest somewhere:spreading little plumes of spores everywhere.
(That was the complicated scheme. The simple method would have been to do just what Bill Patrick did:take the cover off the container,and let the wind do the rest.
It's a hit-or-miss methodology: one that would make a scientist cringe,but which is almost ideal for a terrorist,who wants to demonstrate to a citizenry that no one can protect them.
I know I said we should move on, but you guys missed something here.
The Tom Brokaw "hoax" letter from St Petersburg was postmarked Sept. 20, not Oct. 5. This is not a copycat, period. It was sent by someone in on the plot.
For comparison, the anthrax-laced letter to Brokaw was postmarked on Sept. 18. On Sept. 20, when the hoax letter to Brokaw was mailed, no one except the mailers knew anything about the anthrax mailings at all.
The Oct. 5 letters to Miller and Troxler were sent by the same people as the Sept. 20 St. Petersburg letter. We know this because of the symbolic peculiarities that Foster points out. So that's how we know that these letters were also sent as part of the plot.
I suspect the source was something else. Didn't one of the investigators say that she got a "snoutful" of spores? And didn't she become so gravely ill so quickly that she was unable to tell investigators anything - in spite of being in good health? Yet no spores showed up anywhere investigators looked. Strange.
Just from a google search. The link is in 33 up above. It wasnt an email tho, it was a usenet post, if it matters.
I do not know who R is, or if it could be the mailer. It's just a gut feeling that may-be it could be.
Whoever R is wanted to promote public discussion of the Stevens death-by-anthrax as fast as humanly possible. And R tried to cover his tracks with << x-no-archive >> and with an anonymouss post.
Nothing new here right now - all this is just what I said in post 33 up above in this thread.
Any-way, as Faust has kindly reminded us, the Daschle hoax letter from Saint Petersburg was postmarkened 20 September 2001. This is much too early for a copy-cat. It must have been someone with inside knowlege.
Thank you for the important date correction, John.
Someone described Xinh Thi "Kathy" Nguyen as having intelligence connections in Nam in the 1970s. No documentation though. May-be it's just air.
What is your src for this? I've not seen interview with ex-husband.
Here is a similar statement attributed to a longtime friend, Gina Ramjassingh:
Kathy Nguyen liked sweet smelling things. "She loved flowers. She loved perfumes, the finer ones. She burned scented candles in her house all the time," Ramjassingh said.
From web page: http://www.staugustine.com/stories/111102/nat_1115994.shtml
The NYTimes article with the quote from Nguyen's ex-hubby is supposed to have been on 24 November 2001, if any-body wants to look it up.
Thank u for these new links, B.A.
Some hilites, including the name of the x-husband - or, as this article says, estranged husband:
It looks like the freeper Nes Tona got banned. My guess is that he was probably a multiple username poster.
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