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This article was posted in response to the following post by nicholasj @ Limiting Federal Court Jurisdiction To Protect Marriage For The States (Charles E. Rice):
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Some thoughts. I live in an area where there are a lot of gay people and so I feel more qualified than most people here to comment on this.
I am a moderate Repblican. I know some people here will have a problem with this, but its pretty clear to me that people who rant on and on about 'defending marriage' are clueless about some important facts. I don't know how they got to see it this way, but they did. Here's my plea for some thinking to be applied to this issue. Because its clear to me that the current official line is very counterproductive and decisive.
Why? Because, gay people clearly don't make a 'choice' to be gay. I would guess that most of them probably wish they weren't. But they are and they then have to make the best of it.
It's some kind of biological difference that forms at a very early age in their brains. We don't have a choice. We are straight - or gay. Period. So I think the whole idea of their gayness 'being a sin' is based on a faulty premise.
I don't think God wants *us* to exclude people from the possibility of being good or bad based on something *He* did.
It just doesn't make sense. If he did, God would be putting those people into a situation that violates the doctrine of free will.
At least that's my opinion.
I also have a thought on gay marriage. I think that its fine for me for official 'marriage' to be for men and women only. However, I do think that having some kind of 'legal equivalent' for gay people is only right, based on some of the legal problems they have now. Especially when people die.
The adoption issue is also something I think many don't understand. Ten years ago, the big thing in the gay community was clearly the club and bar scene. Stable relationships were not common. Now, when my wife and I walk around our neighborhood, instead of gay people going in and out of bars as early as 10 am on a Saturday morning, we see lots of gay families who have adopted. Walking around, talking with their kids, etc.
They clearly are *normal* and responsible parents and it is a huge improvement over the situation that existed before which was clearly pretty sordid with lots of alcoholism, etc. The kids they are adopting are often black or handicapped, kids who would NOT get decent care in the foster care system, which is worse than dysfunctional. So, thats also a plus. Kids have homes. Our (50% gay) neighborhood is also a lot safer now, and much quieter at night.
These people are the people in the gay community who would be the most likely to vote Republican, and we seem to be going out of our way to alienate them.
Not very smart!
Only slightly related - I got a start today when I found out what the state with the lowest divorce rate is..
Its Massachusetts, with 2.4%
Divorce also goes down, in general, during Democratic administrations.
What does this tell us? Sometimes, tough talk is used to mask a policy of intentional inaction. It's called 'overcompensating'.
What can we do to improve these figures?
5 posted on 10/30/2004 1:05:13 PM PDT by nicholasj
Theo G. M. Sandfort, Archives of General Psychiatry Vol. 58, Number . , 2001. Page(s) 85-91.
Compared with their heterosexual peers, homosexual men were at greater risk for psychiatric disorders, including mood and anxiety disorders, bipolar disorders, major depression, obsessive-compulsive disorders, panic disorder, agoraphobia, social phobia, and simple phobia. ---
Susan C. Turrell, Kluwer Academic Publishers - Journal of Family Violence Vol. 13, Number . , 2000. Page(s) 281-293.
Relationship violence was found to be a significant problem for homosexuals. Forty-four (44) percent of the gay men reported having experienced violence in their relationships; 13 percent reported sexual violence and 83 percent reported emotional abuse. Levels of abuse ran even higher among lesbians: 55 percent reported physical violence in their relationships, 14 percent reported sexual abuse, and 84 percent reported emotional abuse.
Major Scientific Study Examines Domestic Violence Among Gay Men
The conclusion arrived at by the researchers, based upon these figures, is that the rate of abuse between urban homosexual men in intimate relationships "is a very serious public health problem."
Family Research Report - Dec 2002
The homosexual historical footprint is large when it comes to the rape and murder of children.
The top six U.S. male serial killers were all gay.
Accuracy In Media - Media Monitor - Communists And Homosexuals
For some reason that we don't completely understand, the conservative Washington Times is running a regular column by homosexual writer Andrew Sullivan, and he uses it to attack conservative groups and promote the gay rights agenda. When he attacked AIM for noting a link between homosexuality and child sexual abuse, the Times gave us an opportunity to respond. But the paper has now given Sullivan another opportunity to insist that the homosexual movement has nothing to do with molesting kids.
The founder of the modern homosexual movement, Harry Hay, was a prominent supporter of NAMLBA. This story is told in a book, The Trouble With Harry Hay, which is sympathetic to Hay, who was also a communist. What's more, this was instrumental in developing the homosexual movement. The book notes, "All of his C.P. [Communist Party] activities were useful training for unforeseen political challenges. Many formulas of Marxist theory...have obvious implications for the challenges he faced in conjuring a gay movement out of nothing."
Homosexuality and the Nazi Party
The probable reason for Hitler's attack on Christianity was his perception that it alone had the moral authority to stop the Nazi movement. But Christians stumbled before the flood of evil. As Poliakov notes, "[W]hen moral barriers collapsed under the impact of Nazi preaching...the same anti-Semitic movement that led to the slaughter of the Jews gave scope and license to an obscene revolt against God and the moral law. An open and implacable war was declared on the Christian tradition...[which unleashed] a frenzied and unavowed hatred of Christ and the Ten Commandments" (Poliakov:300).
Was Hitler's Homosexuality Nazism's Best-Kept Secret?
CORNELL LAW LIBRARY: The Donovan Nuremberg Trials Collection at ...
Rough figures here but:
2.8% = 4 million
900,000 people in the U.S. have AIDS/HIV
60% of those cases are homosexuals = 540,000
13.5% of male homosexuals have HIV/AIDS
Homosexual Agenda Ping - the Mother of All Links. Not really, but there is so much information on this thread you gotta copy'n'paste for arguments, for files, for info to keep and pass on.
There are also the usual nay-sayers ("how come you're so obsessed with homosexuality?" etc) - feel free to dismantle them.
[Just got back from a trip - must organize water, so I can't participate until later.]
It's really getting to the point where anyone who claims neutrality, or "I think it's genetic", or "all the gays I know are mild mannered monogamous Republicans who don't go to Gay Pride Parades, Thailand, the Philippines, haven't adopted kids, and just want to be left alone" is consciously lying. They obviously refuse to read the reams of information available on FR. And they never post any articles/studies/research that disprove anything that EdReform, Ed Current, Scripter or anyone else puts up here.
Let me or ItsOurTimeNow know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.
Well Ed after all that, long post, links and all, I have only one thing to say.
God did not make them like that. They chose that lifestyle all by themselves.
bump for later read and as Dean Hamer said,
"there is no gay gene"