Skip to comments.Judge Denies Third-Party Candidates' Vote Recount Request [Ohio]
Posted on 11/23/2004 4:42:40 PM PST by West Coast Conservative
A federal judge on Tuesday denied a request by third-party presidential candidates who wanted to force a recount of Ohio ballots even before the official count was finished.
U.S. District Judge James G. Carr in Toledo ruled that the candidates have a right under Ohio law to a recount, but they have not shown "that they will be harmed irreparably if the recount is not completed by the time Ohio's electors to the Electoral College must be certified."
The judge said Green Party presidential candidate David Cobb and Libertarian presidential candidate Michael Badnarik could not credibly claim that they did or could garner enough votes to have Ohio's presidential electors cast their votes for them.
The two third-party candidates received a combined 0.26 percent of the vote in unofficial results. They contend a re-count is necessary to ensure accuracy.
Carr wrote that he saw no reason to interfere with the final stages of Ohio's 2004 electoral process.
The lawsuit had asked Carr to issue a temporary restraining order and a preliminary injunction requiring Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell to immediately begin statewide recount of Nov. 2 voting results. It also asked that Blackwell ensure that the re-count be completed by Dec. 7, the date that Ohio's electors will be certified for the electoral college.
Oh, this is just rich--does anyone in their right mind believe that the greenies and libertarians are doing this to get the EVs for themselves? The fact that they pretend to claim this could be the case is farcical.
It is about time someone had enough sense to put an end to the charade by the failed candidacy of the peripheral and insignificant parties. Kerry lost, Bush won, period.
Once the petition is denied, they have an even tougher time trying to get it reversed.
How many times does W have to win Ohio?
The same number of times they made him win Florida in 2000?!?!?!
These leftists have no pride. They lost and just won't shut up and go away into the corner and lick their wounds. Dogs have more self respect than they do.
Oh well, till they figure it out, they will just keep on losing, their loss is our gain. HAHAHAHA!
My interpretation of the judge's comments: We know that you are just a front for the Democrats. If they think that Kerry has a chance to win a recount, let them come out from under the bushes and make the case themselves.
OMG that's too rich. DU'ers are gonna start jumping off bridges (sorry - just finished the DU Funnies).
I wonder if the Dems are behind David Cobb and Michael Badnarik trying to force this recount? It occurs to me the Dems are using these guys as front men so the Dems will not look like the sore losers they really are.
I guess it really is a sickness with these lefties.....
What is the REAL reason these guys wanted a full statewide recount?
I understand the Rats wanting one, somebody actually voted for their candidate but the Green and Libertarian party ??
There is something else going on here but I haven't heard what it is ..... anyone here know?
Of course the dems are behind it.
Jonkerry just doesn't want to be quite as big a laughingstock as his predecessor, Algore.
I was wondering how far this would go. I think a recount should only be done if the count is very close, or if a candidate has (a reasonable) reason to believe the results would be changed by a recount.
The third-party candidates have 'no standing', per se, in this matter, because there is no chance in the world that a recount would make either one of them the winner.
States and/or counties don't have the time or the money to do full-scale recounts just for the hell of it, just to make a few wackjob, distraught, depressed, neurotic, tinfoily, grassy-knollster nutcases FEEL better.
Even the Kerry camp isn't stupid enough to ask for a recount.
Guess when you can't win the old fashioned way (by getting more votes than your opponent) you have to get creative. When having people vote 2 or 3 times, and having the dead vote doesn't work you have to cry fowl and try for recounts. Seems like it's time for the Dems to come up with a new playbook.
I'll bet the PEST therapists phones are ringin' off the wall. Because of calls from PESTS.
I meant to say, "Even the Kerry camp isn't stupid enough to ask for a recount....DIRECTLY." They want a recount to shut their own nutcases up once and for all, but they're not going to spend their own money or 'political capital' they have with their disciples to do it.
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That's right--no more hiding behind the skirts of Cobb and Badanrik. If Kerry wants a recount, he's gonna have to come out with it himself.
To many people he will never win it. Idiots they be.
NE Ohio ping!
How many times does W need to win Ohio..?
The LAST Time.
Yippee and yahooey!
The way i read it, the recount can occur just not untill after the certification
No - they'll still get thier recount - Ohio law is screwy on that - BUT they WONT get it before the real count is done and certified
I read on DU that Keith Olberman has been pushing for this recount, saying that the Democrats have until January 6th to overturn the election. The DUmmies are all excited and think that Olberman is brilliant.
Hannity said today that the Kerry-Edwards campaign had joined in the suit.
Could be, but I think their motivation is more mundane--money. They've raised the $150K needed to pay for the recount, but have asked their sheeple for another $100K for "administrative expenses".
It would appear that they're just taking Michael Moore's lead and fleecing the faithful for all they're worth. They know there's no gold in them-thar Ohio hills, but it ain't gonna stop them from selling picks and shovels to those that think there is.
However, the 100000 dollars doesn't even come close to covering the 1,500,000 actual cost. So you can bet that the state is going to fight it tooth and nail. My guess, the recount will never happen
That's even better, yet--wonder if the DU will now claim that Carr is in the gop's pocket or that we have something on him?
Ohio, you need to change your election statutes so this can't even be a question in future elections.
Last W Win in Ohio =
Certification for W Electors to vote for W in the Electoral College
No wonder HILLARY announced her goal of eliminating the Electoral College the morning after she was elected to the U.S. Senate Seat from New York in 2000..?
Guess the DUmmies can't claim he's an evil conservative part of the VRWC.
That's fine by me--trying to undo a certification is more politically "tricky" than attempting to flip the state before it happens.
>>Guess the DUmmies can't claim he's an evil conservative part of the VRWC.<<
They'll either say that he was bought off, or that this is really part of the Dem's strategery. Some of those nuts actually believe that Dean and the Reverend Jackson saying that Bush won fair and square is meant to throw Republicans off the scent of the recount. They need to be medicated.
8,099 Cuyahoga ballots ruled invalid
Tuesday, November 23, 2004
Plain Dealer Reporter
The questions about provisional ballots haven't gotten any easier, but there is a preliminary answer to how many of the controversial ballots will be discarded in Cuyahoga County.
I love winning!
The State of Ohio is in charge of the count of the ballots of its citizens, and should assure that the count is done in accordance with its laws. IMHO it should not enable subsequent counts to be done by any other parties such as the New York Times. Once Ohio counts its ballots and certifies its slate of electors, any further counting is not in the public interest within the lifetime of the winning candidate.
To allow reporters access to the ballots is simply to provide them with the opportunity to work mischief. What if they put on a show of counting the ballots, and then announce arbitrarily that the state awarded the electors wrongly? There is no upside to allowing other parties to claim to have counted the ballots independently. None. IMHO.
Olberman was louzy on ESPN and he is worse as a news person -- cannot stand him in either capacity.
On the subject of vote counting, has New Mexico ever been declared or is Critical Bill still working his magic?
They will probably appeal to the Florida Supreme Court.
I saw a vendor at the Swap Shop last Sunday with big Badnarik posters all over his car. He was trying to sell people on going thru him to do a By Owner home sale. He was acting like a complete jerk. Instead of sticking to business he would scream at people in order to argue politics with them. DUMB!
So are they going to blow their money on a recount?
PJ..what are they saying?
I dunno yet. I'm still trying to get over the shock that there is a School Teacher named Pam (possibly in a town named Greenbriar) who is teaching kids and could explode in rage at any moment.