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China and India wrestling for Iran's oil
http://www.iranexpert.com/2004/china22november.htm ^ | 22-11-04

Posted on 11/24/2004 8:08:27 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

Date: 11/22/2004 16:31:35 China Economic Net

China and India wrestling for Iran's oil

Iran Expert

As the fight between China and Japan and that between China and Vietnam for petroleum is still pending, India, a future big oil consumer, is competing with China for oil supply from the Middle East, especially Iran, which is beyond the control of the U.S.

Once India, a major Asian country, gets into the period of fast growth in investment as China did, the world's oil sector will face the most formidable test in the next stage. As a future big oil consumer, India clearly sees this.

From 1998 to 2003, imports of crude oil from the Middle East account for 50.9 percent in China's total imports. The import volume from Iran took up 13.6 percent, secondly only to that from Saudi Arabia, 16.7 percent. The annual growth rate of imports from Iran stood at 16.5 percent, also ranking the second. Analysts point out that once the memorandum of understanding signed by China and Iran on the Yadavaran Oilfield Development Project is implemented, China is likely to overtake Japan and European countries in the area of international oil and gas development in Iran, becoming one of the largest investors in Iran's oil and gas field.

The present situation and development prospects of oil trade between China and Iran are not only crucial to the rapid development of the Chinese economy in recent years, they will play an irreplaceable role for China as it strives to fulfill the goal of doubling its GNP in the next ten years.

Experts point out that the growth of demand that China has seen over the past two years was completely within economists' expectations; what actually affects the equilibrium between the supply and demand of energy sources in the future is not China's development, but the massive overall economic development of countries like India, which will greatly affect the current oil supply and demand pattern in the world. Meanwhile, as the world's crude oil supply has hit the limit, the explosion of demand in India will pose a threat to China, another major oil consumer in Asia.

In fact, India has started to make preparations long ago, trying to forge cozy relationship with Iran, which, as the world's second largest crude oil producer, defies the control of the U.S. Meanwhile, India is secretly wrestling with China to get oil from Iran.

India's efforts have obviously paid off. Recently, it reached an agreement with Iran to jointly develop the largest gas field in the world. Indian Oil Corp., a state-run company from India, will work with Iranian firm Petropars to exploit Iran's gas field, which holds the largest reserves in the world. Some analysts say New Delhi is even willing to run the risk of hurting Indian-US relations to cooperate with Iran in the field of energy, because it puts the nation's energy security first.

India is now acquiring equity of foreign oil and gas fields worldwide to meet its future and expected energy demands. And it has reached agreements with Sudan, Russia and Syria.

Petroleum analysts point out that the wrestling between China and India mirrors their respective concerns for their future energy security. However, for China, the real threat of energy comes from the U.S.

Andy Xie, chief Asia economist at Morgan Stanley said, "In his second term, Bush is very likely to attack Iran. That will result in soaring oil price, and truly imperil China's economic development."

Prior to this, some Chinese economists also pointed out that if the U.S. launches military attacks on Iran, the "petroleum bottleneck" may send the Chinese economy into a dilemma that it has been trying to avert: it either faces the stagflation of oil price, which may result when oil consumption is retrenched by force, or it has to raise Renminbi's value, impair a number of export industries, and introduction of foreign capital to keep up its oil consumption. In both cases, the biggest harm done to China is the exacerbation of the employment situation in the country.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: china; energy; energysecurity; greatgame; india; iran; oil; russia; southwestasia

1 posted on 11/24/2004 8:08:28 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki; nw_arizona_granny

This is what I was talking about in freep mail. China aligning with Iran.


2 posted on 11/24/2004 8:16:44 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia; TapTheSource

I thought the Russia/China oil deal was a done deal?

One way to read this appears to be, if we attack Iran, then
China and India will support Iran.

and Russia does what?


3 posted on 11/24/2004 8:44:49 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny (Today, please pray for God's miracle, we are not going to make it without him.)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Nowhere is it said that India would support Iran-that's what the writer of this article expects(he's in all probability an Iranian).India buys just too much weaponry from Israel -it won't risk that to support Iran.Besides the ties with US are at an all-time high,so why waste that too??
The Indo-Iranian relationship is purely interest based & is sort of the extended one night stand that the US is so familiar with(Iran,Saudi Arabia,the PRC till 1989).

PS-it was China & Pakistan which supplied Iran a huge chunk of it's nuclear & missile tech.


4 posted on 11/24/2004 8:54:14 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: nw_arizona_granny

China (& to a lesser degree,India) are scouring the world for new energy reserves-Central Asia,Africa,Siberia,the Middle East.You cannot depend on one country ,esp if it's a hotbed like Iran.China has been pumping in millions into several African countries to build their infrastructure & in turn get access to their oil resources.It's pretty much neck & neck ,between India & China in Angola .


5 posted on 11/24/2004 8:56:44 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: nw_arizona_granny

That is what I meant by the broken deal with Russia.


6 posted on 11/24/2004 9:01:01 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Thank you for adding the missing details.

The leaders are worse than children, friends today, but not tomorrow.


7 posted on 11/24/2004 10:01:25 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny (Today, please pray for God's miracle, we are not going to make it without him.)
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To: nw_arizona_granny
One way to read this appears to be, if we attack Iran, then China and India will support Iran.

Err... NO. IF we attack Iran, China, russia and india will do didly squat. They aren't going to get involved against us -- they don't dare. They would want a piece of the oil action afterwards. They won't oppose us and India and Russia may even help us if we put in a government favorable to them.
8 posted on 11/24/2004 10:46:37 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: Cronos

I am not sure about the indians but at some point the chinese will get involved. They arent going to simply watch their investments being blown away.


9 posted on 11/24/2004 11:37:14 AM PST by Arjun (Skepticism is good. It keeps you alive.)
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To: Arjun
I am not sure about the Indians but at some point the Chinese will get involved. They aren't going to simply watch their investments being blown away.

There isn't much the Chinese can do anyway. All you will see are a few plastic feathers ruffled.

10 posted on 11/25/2004 2:12:27 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Cronos
Err... NO. IF we attack Iran, China, russia and india will do didly squat. They aren't going to get involved against us -- they don't dare. They would want a piece of the oil action afterwards. They won't oppose us and India and Russia may even help us if we put in a government favorable to them.

In my estimation, you are right.

I also think that if we take out Iran, it changes the calculus for Taiwan a great deal.

Without the mad mullahs of Iran to count on for oil (the big new deal where the Chinese displace the Japanese as Iran's major customer), China I think will be far less likely to make a move on Taiwan.

And that big deal was a bad move on the part of the mullahs because now Japan will have less reason to ask us to hold back since Iran has already cut their legs out from under them.

11 posted on 11/25/2004 2:23:05 AM PST by snowsislander
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To: Calpernia
India hit piece from Iran.

"Meanwhile, as the world's crude oil supply has hit the limit"

What? Peak-oil bunk. It's not supply, it's production capacity.

12 posted on 11/25/2004 2:28:56 AM PST by endthematrix ("Hey, it didn't hit a bone, Colonel. Do you think I can go back?" - U.S. Marine)
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To: CarrotAndStick

The issue here is of setting off alarms in russia/china/india. None of them will like the increased US influence in that part of the world. It will further polarize opinion against the US and may encourage them to ally with each other to form some sort of Axis to combat what will be seen as hegemony. There is already talk of such a possibility and china did make an unprecedented overture to india by supporting their candidature for the Security council. something they opposed for a while.
In fact now the US might be one of the few countries that opposes India.


13 posted on 11/25/2004 2:42:12 AM PST by Arjun (Skepticism is good. It keeps you alive.)
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