Skip to comments.Show's over for the video recorder
Posted on 11/24/2004 12:38:44 PM PST by weegee
LONDON, England -- Video recorders have taken a step closer to extinction after Britain's largest electrical supplier said it would stop selling VCRs to concentrate on their successor, the DVD.
Dixons said it now expected to sell its remaining stock of VCRs by Christmas, although other electrical retailers said they would continue to sell them for the foreseeable future.
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We still have audio cassettes, recorders, and players.
Do recorded DVDs last 20+ years or do they experience data loss? Do we have to pay some technonerd $20/hour to transfer our old videotapes to DVD now?
The VCRs in the stores today are largely crap. I bought a "Panasonic" this year (there haven't been many manufacturers of VCRs for decades, just companies slapping their names on essentially the same box). It has already died (less than 6 months after purchase).
Meanwhile the "replacement" is DVD-R, er DVD+R, er DVD+RW, er Sony's HD-DVD, er other manufacturers' standard of HD-DVD... you get the idea. None of that technology is going to be in use in 5 years because it is ALL in transition. So you can buy the stop gap solution and throw out all of your VHS tapes (if you think it is hard to find a workhorse VHS player now, wait 5 years down the road) and repeat the process transferring your current mode recorded DVDs to the new format. Meanwhile every generation, expect to pick up ever so slight pixelation as the compression algorithms reduce the space required to store the images. You may not notice now but you probably will on your HD set.
20 years after turntables got scrapped, you can STILL buy new records.
The industry hates analog technology. No "digital codes" to prohibit copying.
Think the broadcast industry is going to throw out all of their tape based systems? Not on your life.
Buy now! Consume! Or else be left out in the cold!
until I can get a cheap DVD recorder(less than 50 bucks) to tape everyday programs, the VCR rules.
What exactly is the lifespan of "Digital" Media?
The DVD recorder has dropped under $500. That is the "buy" point for most consumers.
I was just looking at my video tape player and wondering if my modest video tape collection soon will be going out to the shed along with my LP vinyls.
I saw one the other day advertised for $350.
I agree. My husband tapes to radio shows for me because I can't get an AM signal in the building I work in. If the VCR goes away I will not be able to listen to Rush and one other show until I retire. That would be a complete bummer!
Did you clean your VCR? I just ask because the last one I bought lasted about 3-4 years. And since the price for them is down to around $60-$70 at Wal-Mart or Best Buy, that's not a lot to plunk down every few years if you take care of it.
Yes my older VCRs lasted for over 7 years. One eventually ate tapes, the other had the loading mechanism jam.
I may pay the hundred bucks or so to fix one of these better machines.
The new $50 ones ain't worth a dime.
It was very heavy, had a wired remote and you had to tune each channel separately.
interestingly, I still have it and if all you want to do is record and playback, it still does a fine job.
Sniff, sniff,,,,,,,,,,Your pic brings back such memories for me.
Ah but some TiVo programming forces the expiration after a certain time (say 2 weeks). Some TiVo programming (like some PayPerView offerings) are even prohibiting taping of the TiVoed program.
It is about control and preventing home taping in SPITE of the Supreme Court Betamax ruling.
The entertainment industry wants the best laws money can buy.
VHS = RIP
Oh, my! Whatever will I do with my laserdisc collection........?
Got a Tivo, haven't used my VCR since.
Technology marches on...
That is why I have to get the DVD recorder. I have a treasured VHS library of films that are not available on DVD. Some aren't even on VHS. I just taped them off of cable. And old programs like "The Story of English" that I have on VHS.
That's why I have a computer-based PVR instead of a TiVo. I don't get the recommendations and season passes and stuff, but I do get the assurance that the hardware is controlled by me, and not a third party who might sell out my interests to Hollywood.
I can do without taping NEW programs with a VCR but I want to be able to access my 1000+ videotapes. Currently I do not have a VCR that works or that I would trust with my tapes (eating tapes is WRONG).
Some are off air, some are public domain films, some are footage I got from friends (live performances, etc.).
I could live with never being able to access my full set of Outer Limits (those are available in better condition even if they don't come with the Cal Worthington & His Dog Spot car commercials from the late night broadcasts).
I have a lot of 8mm videotapes as well. All privately shot footage. I put some of it to VHS for convenience but want to store them on discs for easy access and backup.
LOL, I have a laserdisk that I have never viewed (because I never bought a player for it). It looks like a huge cd the size of an album. I never knew anyone that actually had a player for those laserdisks. Your a first.
Don't trash that laserdisc collection just yet. There are some films that are completely unavailable on DVD, some films that are ALTERED on DVD (Lucas mucks up his old films and some things like AIP's Psych-Out were missing a scene here or there that are on the laserdisc, I don't know if we will EVER see a DVD of the theatrical release of Blade Runner).
There are also supplements (like director commentary) that have not been reissued with the DVDs. Sometimes the talent come back and record new tracks for the DVD but they aren't as enthusiastic as they were the first time around and talk about more trivial matters or just discuss on screen action "And now he goes and tells him how he doesn't agree with the plan...").
I don't like buying "Sgt. Pepper's" again and again.
1. Stockpile a couple cheap VCRs and LOTS of VCR tapes
2. Face the digital future and buy one of these:
This digital recorder for AM/FM ain't perfect, but from what I hear...it's a start.
I bought a ReplayTV a while back and love it. Basically the same as a Tivo I guess. Still use my VCR though... We have a friend "up on the hill" and they don't have cable so I copy a few saved up shows from the Replay to VCR for them. Until DVD recorders become popular, I'm gonna keep my VCR plugged in.
I have both the DVD and Laser disk of "Blade Runner". I have had various laser disk players for years. My laser disk of Blade Runner is the non director cut version. You cannot get that on DVD.
Thank you for the information!
This remimds me of a John Stewart stand-up bit where he goes into a computer store to get some software and the manager shows him all sorts of great stuff and then John says, "Oh well, all this is very nice, but I have a Mac. You know, a Macintosh?" And the Manager calls Igor over to show John down to the sub-basement for the Mac items. :)
Fair warning...I haven't bought a "RadioYourWay" from pogoproducts yet.
I've only investigated and learned it's a "first step" to digital capture of
Apparently, you'll need to get familiar with doing some computer-based conversion
of the proprietary-based files the audio is originally captured in on the "Radio Your Way"
to get to regular audio-file formats.
Another thought...if you've got some sort of cable/digital TV service, you might
investigate if some radio services are available by that route.
IIRC, talk-show host Dennis Prager mentioned recently that his show was being carried over
some cable service (sorry, can't recall the name).
It could be that this is some sort of marriage of cable/dish with satellite
radio like Sirius or XM.
If this sort of thing is readily accessible, it might mean you could just capture
"radio" programming via your cable/dish and just dump it onto a regular TIVO/digital recorder.
DVD recorders are not on the way out. We'll always need a cheap archive format, and recordable DVDs are the new answer for that. People are still going to want to save "permanent" copies of programs from their DVR to an archive media, like a DVD. Unless DVRs start to offer removable hard drive cassettes, like zip drives, DVDs or equivalent will continue to proliferate.
Yes, I passed on a $7 Criterion edition of the theatrical cut because I only want to see a movie like Blade Runner on the big screen. Then I thought about it and recalled that version has been omitted from the memory banks, purged from the history books, etc.
When I went back, it was gone.
I did find Taxi Driver (with Scorese's commentary, full storyboards, isolated soundtrack score WITH chapter stops to the different musical cues...) for $15 (also Criterion) and I don't believe that any of those goodies made it to DVD. I like the film, I have only seen it twice (both) on the big screen, and while I won't watch it much, it is a superior presenation when considering the extras.
I also got the Criterion Dr. Strangelove laserdisc (mostly for the extras). I hadn't bought any copy of the film until recently although it is among my favorite films of all time. I've been unimpressed with the DVD extras.
People keep hoping that the rare Peter Jackson Frighteners boxed set will be released on DVD sometime (there were less than 1000 pressed, it came at the end of LD's lifespan and many titles were only pressed to pre-order figures). He spent a lot of time working on the "making of" commentary and interviews because he was waiting for approval on King Kong. I'm sure that this helped him to develop the supplements when he started work on Lord Of The Rings.
I don't know if some of these rarer laserdiscs are still getting $100-500.
Much of my music collection is on vinyl...any decent turntable with a good needle and a compatible sound sytem makes them sound almost better than CD's.
It's amazing how many good LP's were dumped when CD's became the hot commodity. I think I made out pretty well!
how much is a multi-hundred gig HD going for these days? about $120? how many movies in digital format can that hold? the more computer literate the world becomes, the less we'll need "seperate" archiving. i'd rather have movie or music specific seperate HD in my computer than have to worry about what's going to replace the dvd. But that's years off, the point being if it's storage you want look no further than your computer armoire!
all in all i'd say 10yrs from now the server that runs the average homes heating/AC, locks, lights, appliances, home theatre and internet, will also store your DVDs at a decent price.
Let's follow the trend...
1970s - Professional Beta
1980 - Home Beta
1990s - DVCPro for tv stations, followed by MiniDV for home use
Now - TV stations store everything in server, form... tomorrow?
See the correlation with professional media and home media?
I think that I've seen that already.
Look in the stores.
Also expect to find at least one DVD recorder on the market for under $200 after Thanksgiving. I see them as a gift idea this year (although don't expect to get DVD-RW for that).
Even if I want a DVD recorder, I still need access to a VCR to save all of my tape based programming.
Maybe I'll rent one of those "Videotape players" that videostores have in the clunky cases. THOSE are workhorse machines and pretty solid, if low tech.
Seems that someone could make some money offering a tape player that can handle SP, LP, SLP/EP VHS/S-VHS tapes (no record, no receiver). Make it durable though. A remote and onscreen counter (real time) would be nice.
Old records are still worth more than old CDs.
The combination of a dedicated PC with multi-gig recording capability and a tuner video card and TV software are available right now.
Great, another addition to my Betamax, Cassette, 8-Track and reel-to-reel equipment that is sitting in my basement.
If Hollywood hadn't hampered the technology, a DVD player could cache all of the data on the disc (commentary, multiple layers, multiple sides/discs if a movie runs that long). It might even permit seemless alternate branching (say an option to watch the theatrical cut, director's cut, or expanded cut with the "extra scenes" placed in context).
Hollywood is too worried that people would rip the DVDs and make copies of them. Hometaping IS permitted by copyright law but not circumventing digital copyprotection.
BTW, people ARE ripping DVDs regardless and we are stuck with an inefficient playback system with iffy moving parts.
Do DVD players overheat more than a harddrive based playback device would?
Pray for W and Our Troops
Rush right out and buy a six or eight VHS recorders now, and store them away. Then you'll be set for the life of the cassettes themselves.
Get a Digital Video Recorder, if you are on a Time Warner Cable, they offer one for about $5.00 a month and it has the cable box built in.
You will never use tape again, unless you are archiving the stuff.
You can get one at Sam's Club for $139.00, Combo VCR and DVD recorders can be had for under $300.00
,,, and there's a bit of a resurgence in turntables.
Those TiVo and digital cable DVRs aren't competing with the DVD, they're competing with the VCR. Their for temporary recording for deferred watching, like taping a show on the VCR. The DVRs that come from the cable company have a time limit. You can trick them but it's a geek thing the average user will never do. And there's still the harddrive limit.
Of course you can, Rush is streamed on the internet, and can be captured as an MP3 file that can be burned to a CD/DVD or even exported to tape. If you do not have internet access someone can save the files to a CD as MP3's then just purchase a CD player that can handle MP3 files, which is nearly all of them today. Even the cheap DVD players can handle MP3 files. Wal-Mart has one on sale this week for $29.00.
"The DVD recorder has dropped under $500. That is the "buy" point for most consumers."
I'm still debating if I should spring for one at $200
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