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To: Carry_Okie

i'm not interested in having a conversation with someone who isn't interested in the moral equilancies of their own actions with those of others.

you gob off about how europe ripped off the american people in the cold war, yet you see nothing wrong in doing the same in WW2.

you complain about our reliance on russian oil, yet you take oil and give money to a government that refuses to allow christians to publicly worship, that is ambivilant about attacks on your country and has a human rights record that almost eclipes the talibans'.

i can accept that my country and my region does things in a way that i sometimes disagree with, that i think are morally wrong.

but you don't, to you everything is someone elses fault, america is allways right and everything it does is beyond reproach, its never hypocritical and it never supports states in return for economic or military advantage that you wouldn't allow your children to visit.

i think buying oil and gas from russia is pretty disgusting, likewise with saudi, i'd like it to stop and i do what i can both politically and personally to end that economic relationship.

i know that until we've done that we won't be able sit right on top of the ivory tower.

what do you do to remove the stain of doing business with unpleasant countries from your self-image?


24 posted on 11/25/2004 12:29:28 PM PST by rogermellie
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To: rogermellie
i'm not interested in having a conversation with someone who isn't interested in the moral equilancies of their own actions with those of others.

I'm not interested in having a conversation with someone who has to constuct bogus moral equilancies between their own actions with those of others in order to make a point.

You have clearly been fed a steady diet of "conflict resolution" claptrap and are no longer capable of objective reasoning.

you gob off about how europe ripped off the american people in the cold war, yet you see nothing wrong in doing the same in WW2.

Demonstrate how America "ripped off" Europe in World War II. Looks to me like Americans DIED to free Europeans from a disaster of their own making.

i can accept that my country and my region does things in a way that i sometimes disagree with, that i think are morally wrong.

Only after justifying it by creating a sense "moral equivalency" where such does not exist.

but you don't, to you everything is someone elses fault, america is allways right and everything it does is beyond reproach, its never hypocritical and it never supports states in return for economic or military advantage that you wouldn't allow your children to visit.

I never said anything of the sort. That you have to resort to fantasy in order to have your "moral equivalence" is demonstrable proof of my retort.

I would have preferred that we went on to Moscow and finished the job instead of funding our future adversaries. Not to take out the Russians in 1945 was a terrible mistake.

i think buying oil and gas from russia is pretty disgusting, likewise with saudi, i'd like it to stop and i do what i can both politically and personally to end that economic relationship.

Then build nuclear power plants, repatriate the Arabs and Turks, and put that unemployed 10% of your labor pool TO WORK.

what do you do to remove the stain of doing business with unpleasant countries from your self-image?

I invent and advocate policies consistent with depriving them of the cash to fund their operations. Interestingly, my principal barrier to overcome such barriers is regulatory law pursuant to multilateral treaties that Europeans demanded when they loaned us money... TO DEFEND THEM (thank you Charles DeGaulle).

25 posted on 11/25/2004 12:47:54 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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