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| Craig Johnson
Posted on 11/26/2004 8:59:56 AM PST by SusanD
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To: durasell
I was thinking more along the terms of Wings of Desire... I've heard of, though never saw, that movie.
I read a review of the Flight of the Phoenix remake and the reviewer specifically mentioned that it was a typically modern dumbed down version of the 1965 original.
To: Siamese Princess
They dumbed down Wings as well. Made it into a mess called City of Angels.
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posted on
12/21/2004 4:38:17 AM PST
by
durasell
(Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
To: SusanD
While I'm sure this argument will never be settled, what I find fascinating about Alexander is the strange mixture of noble thought and even sensitivity and an ability to be utterly and unfeelingly ruthless.
Apparently, upon occasion he would order the complete population slaughter of entire cities and towns because the local king or warlord ordered the people not to surrender. How he could order the mass death of innocents doesn't square with the other image of a philosophically trained ruler.
Stone should have tried to explain this characteristic, rather than getting off on the gay theme.
To: R. Scott
The passage you refer to was from Plutarch's
Morals - About the Fortune or Virtue of Alexander the Great (
De Alexandri Magni Fortuna Aut Virtute). When The commander of his coast guard offers him up a young boy, Plutarch quotes Alexander to have said:
Horrible man, have you known me up to now guilty of such crimes? This is modernism's proof that Alexander was a homo?
To: Mr. Lucky
The passage you refer to was from Plutarch's Morals - About the Fortune or Virtue of Alexander the Great (De Alexandri Magni Fortuna Aut Virtute).
No, it is from Plutarchs
The Lives of the Nobel Grecians and Romans, My copy is the Dryden translation. Alexanders reply is given as What baseness Philoxenus had ever observed in him that he should presume to make him such a reproachful offer?
This could be taken to indicate that Alexander would not consider buying a slave for sex preferring love and admiration, as Alexander also did not approve of female sex slaves as is often noted.
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posted on
12/21/2004 7:23:56 AM PST
by
R. Scott
(Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
To: R. Scott
Not to beat a dead horse, but you're referring to the same work. Your reference is to the compilation of the
Lives written by Plutarch; my reference is to the specific monograph written about Alexander the Great. (Books, you'll recall weren't invented by Plutarch's day).
This whole homo myth has no basis whatever in history. Your reference is to a work written 15 generations after Alexander's death. Even so, Alexander is claimed to have severely reproached Philoxenus for offering him up a male lover.
To: SusanD
Maybe he is a metrosexual
To: Mr. Lucky
(Books, you'll recall weren't invented by Plutarch's day).
They have been around far longer than Alexander, but not usually bound and printed as we have today.
This whole homo myth has no basis whatever in history.
Once again, I have not supported any statement to the effect that Alexander was homosexual.
I have not read any here that support that statement.
Bisexuality was common at that time.
Homosexuality was indeed frowned upon homosexuals usually did not procreate and make new warriors to fill the ranks.
There is a difference between bisexual and homosexual.
We might as well end this discussion now, as you obviously have your belief based on ???, and I have mine.
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posted on
12/21/2004 2:11:45 PM PST
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R. Scott
(Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
To: R. Scott
I have my belief based upon what is known of Alexander's life and those who wish he had been a homo have their belief based upon what they wish.
To: Mr. Lucky
As I have previously posted several times, I have never advocated that Alexander was homosexual, but bisexual. There is a difference.
I do like and respect history. I do not get my history from Hollywood or people like Rev. Fred Phelps.
As to your previous comments about books not being invented at that time, in Thebes, the Healing Place of the Soul, the palace collection of King Ramesses II, existed about 1300 BCE. It contained about 20,000 rolls and was probably a religious or philosophic library. Amen-en-haut was one of the librarians.
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posted on
12/21/2004 5:12:41 PM PST
by
R. Scott
(Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
To: lilylangtree
Also, when I was in college, we studied Mary Renault's writings. She was considered one of many authorities on ancient Greece. Somebody was pulling your leg. She was a novelist, a popular novelist (i.e. a writer of potboilers). She had no training in history (she was a nurse) and she lived with another woman and was probably a lesbian, although such things weren't talked about very openly in her day.
Not very good authority.
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posted on
12/21/2004 5:24:00 PM PST
by
AnAmericanMother
(. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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