[JFK_Lib]

Islamacists can be defeated by promoting a moderate version of Islam that takes the Quran seriously which the Islamacists dont.

While Islamacism is a cultural fundamentalism, it can be trumped by a movement of people who might be thought of as religiously fundamentalist. While many may consider that a step backwards, the Quran, when read literally, does not allow for the use of inhumane tactics on Christians and Jews, but only for aggressive heathen or infadels which the Quran identifies as those who do not profess a belief int he God of Abraham.

This is a spiritual war fought on a physical level. We canonly win it if we engage in the spiritual struggle as well.

But the secularists will continue to tie our hands in this respect and will advocate the use of secular science to undermine the Islamic faith, and this will not and cannot work in the long run. Western science int he popular mind has become fundamentally flwed as it is percieved as hostile to religion and the Trojan Horse for every moral degeneracy imaginable. On that basis it will always be rejected by a moral people.

[weenie]

moderate version of Islam that takes the Quran seriously...

You obviously haven't read the Qur'an yet...or studied the life of Mohammed...

moderate Islam is the abberation, not the rule.

[Haro_546]

"that takes the Quran seriously which the Islamacists dont". This is false, The islamist practise a version of Islam that is more in tune with the islamic text than others.

"when read literally, does not allow for the use of inhumane tactics on Christians and Jews" This is false, the Islamic Text promote agression against these groups.

[nightdriver]

"...the Quran, when read literally, does not allow for the use of inhumane tactics on Christians and Jews, but only for aggressive heathen or infadels which the Quran identifies as those who do not profess a belief int he God of Abraham."

It's pretty difficult to miss the literal reading of "...kill them (non-moslems) wherever you find them.." The islamists are just obeying their koranic scriptures.

Too bad that we don't take seriously the court ruling in 1892 that essentially outlaws islam in America.

[jan in Colorado]

What Quran are you reading?

There are two types of Muslims.

As quoted to me earlier...

A Muslim will kill you.

A moderate Muslim just wants you dead.

Enough said.

[USF]

USF's guide to Islam 101:

THE AGENDA OF ISLAM - A WAR BETWEEN CIVILIZATIONS

WHAT THE QURAN TEACHES!

[Moby Grape]

Some have put forth the proposition that modern Islam has been high jacked by extremist and that the idea of defeating and or killing non-Muslims is a new and radical perversion of Islam.....not true.

General William Eaton, wrote to the US Secretary of State in 1799 reporting his dealings with the Barbary (Muslim) States:

"Taught by revelation that war with the Christians will guarantee the salvation of their souls....."

After beginning military action against Tripoli (with one of the objectives being to free Christian HOSTAGES being held for MONEY....), Eaton wrote in his journal:

"April 8th. We find it almost impossible to inspire these wild bigots with confidence in us or to persuade them that, being Christians, we can be otherwise than enemies to Musselmen. We have a difficult undertaking:

The leader of the Muslims on 23 May of that same year offered six thousand dollars for the killing of Eaton and double the sum if alive (for slavery), and thirty dollars per head for killing Christians.

Now, doesn't all this sound VERY familiar....Islam has NOT been high jacked....it was and always will be a religion of war, conquest, slavery, and thuggery.

[NathanHail]

Islamacists can be defeated by promoting a moderate version of Islam that takes the Quran seriously which the Islamacists dont.

Those who reject Islam must be killed. If they turn back (from Islam), take them and kill them wherever you find them.
-SURAH 4:89, The Noble Quran

O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you; and know that Allah is with those who are AL-Muttaqun(the pious.)
-SURAH 9:123, The Noble Qura

Defeating the threat posed by this ideology is not going to rely on moderation. It will be more dependent on tenacity and will. (They believe we don't have the will to stand up and stop them. They believe it's just a matter of waiting until we tire and give up.) I propose a different strategy:
1. Destroy with overwhelming military force all terrorist cells we locate. Deny operating areas, supply, and financial support. (In this regard we must be absolutely ruthless.) The message: we will hunt you down where ever you hide. We will punish anyone who helps you. All you will know is Defeat! (this is key; defeat and dishonor are very distasteful in a society where male honor is all important.)
2. End the Education of Hate, being conducted in Islamic schools throughout the world. These schools taught todays terrorist and continue to indoctrinate tomorrows terrorist. These schools are the Root of the Culture of Death.
3. Support and educate the values of the free-market, self determination, representative government, and womens' suffrage. These concepts are the best way to combat poverty. Productive societies provide citizens with more opportunities than a theocracy. Poverty is the Jihadist ally and their best recruiting tool. Most in the West have refused to accept that WWIV has began. The Atlantic and Pacific provide the U.S. little protection from the threat. Some European nations have chose to stay on the sidelines, Holland is learning that has failed to keep them out of the crosshairs. The continued debate of "What are we going to Do?" only emboldens the Jihadists. Until the West unifies and advances a united effort to DEFEAT Islamic fascists, the Wolf will roam the forest and the blood will flow.