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To: gbcdoj
Now you, or he, have got me confused. It appears here that it is written that the use of Lating be maintained and/or restored. We all know that that is not what happened. Is this a Missal that was scribed during his Pontificate, under his authority? If so, why does it contain a directive which was NOT maintained and/or restored?

Amd Msgr LeFebrve...was it not he who ran afoul of this Pope, and was virtually run off. Did he not insist on Latin remaining in the Church, and be condemned for not following Vatican II? If this was not LeFebrve, then I think it was some French churchman.

I am convinced this Pope (JPII) is a conservative churchman, asmuch as John XXIII was not. I do not believe that the two men's accomplishments can ever be called near compatible.

47 posted on 11/26/2004 7:43:03 PM PST by tenthirteen
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To: tenthirteen
We all know that that is not what happened.

When Bl. John XXIII died in 1963, Latin was still the language of the Latin Rite Liturgy. It was only under Paul VI that that changed (in contradiction to the prescriptions of the Council's liturgy constitution - SC 36.1, which ordered that Latin be retained). The Missal used by traditionalists is the Missal of Bl. John XXIII, issued in 1962.

Pope John would never have allowed the vernacularization of the Mass if he had lived longer.

why does it contain a directive which was NOT maintained and/or restored

The liberals, even while magnifying the "Good Pope John" as a liberal hero, totally covered up the fact that he was completely traditional and ignored his directives. The same thing happened to Pius XII in a weaker manner - he was widely misrepresented as favoring liberal Biblical theology, even in La Civilta Cattolica in 1960!

Amd Msgr LeFebrve...was it not he who ran afoul of this Pope

Msgr. Lefebvre ran afoul of Paul VI - Bl. John appointed him to the Central Preparatory Commission for the Council and made him Bishop of Tulle over the opposition of the liberal French hierarchy.

51 posted on 11/26/2004 8:06:33 PM PST by gbcdoj ("I acknowledge everyone who is united with the See of Peter" - St. Jerome)
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