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To: CHARLITE
I don't know much about Islam but shouldn't we be going after the perverted version, the "evil" strain, rather than all of the religion? I would like to think that there is also something good to be said about this religion. Doesn't it do what most religions do, which is to give people hope?

I'm sure that in the past American foreign policy was terrible within some of the Arab regions,eg., supporting puppets like the Shah of Iran and whatnot. The Arab people may have good reason to hate us but that is no excuse for 9/11. On the whole, it seems that most religions try to comfort people in their distress. But this particular strain, by proclaiming a holy war and slaughtering innocent people of different faith, goes against the major precepts of other world religions. It's definitely contrary to any belief that there is a just and caring God who wants peace for all of humanity.

I don't know if the problem really is the religion or just the people who interpret it to suit their own twisted ends. As Shakespeare said: the devil can site Scripture for his own purpose.
39 posted on 11/27/2004 12:09:49 AM PST by Blind Eye Jones
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To: Blind Eye Jones

"I don't know much about Islam but shouldn't we be going after the perverted version, the "evil" strain, rather than all of the religion?"

There is no separation of "perverted islam" from islam as a whole. They pray in the same mosques, they listen to the same clerics, they attend the same schools, they support charities that fund terrorism, they teach hatred of all that is not muslim, they will defend any muslim regardless of how many innocent people they have murdered, they all follow the same koran which tells them to conquer the world by forced submission and murder. Open your f'ing good eye to the facts about islam. It is not a religion but rather a cult of terrorists.


69 posted on 11/27/2004 8:14:53 AM PST by ArmedNReady (Islam, the cancer on humanity.)
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To: Blind Eye Jones
goes against the major precepts of other world religions. It's definitely contrary to any belief that there is a just and caring God who wants peace for all of humanity.

But not all religions believe in a just and caring God. It is a really an American belief that all "religions" are "good" and want to do good things, are all just different paths to God. The trouble is, it isn't true. A "religion" is what you think about the fundamental nature of the universe: is it controlled by a "God" or a force, is that "God" or force good or bad, is it a person, etc etc etc. Human sacrifice has a very long history, so do death cults, but the US (hopefully!) isn't going to allow Aztec worship of Kali death cults to openly practice (but with the ACLU, who knows?) Not all religions think there is a personal God, many religions don't think God is good, many other religions don't believe in being good to those outside their own religion, etc etc etc.

Because of the way Islam defines God and because of what they believe is owed God, you cannot seperate out government from religion, if it isn't Sharia law it isn't legitimate in their eyes. Even in what is considered Islam's "golden age", it was golden precicesly in that Islam was not taken seriously, and even then Christians and Jews were considered "dhimmi", an underclass that had to pay special taxes and had less access to courts and justice than Muslims. American culture is particularly poorly equipped to deal with a religion that does not seperate things into a "secular - spiritual" mindset.

A great website that talks about Islam's real history is Bat Ye'or's site, there are links to her lectures and articles going into detail on all this.

78 posted on 11/27/2004 8:51:50 AM PST by justanotherfreeper
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To: Blind Eye Jones
I would like to think that there is also something good to be said about this religion.

Have your other eye checked, Jonesy. There is nothing good about this religion!

If you encounter a "good" muslim you have met a "cafeteria" muslim (apologies to my Catholic brothers and sisters).

104 posted on 11/27/2004 11:47:59 AM PST by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan)
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To: Blind Eye Jones

"I don't know if the problem really is the religion or just the people who interpret it to suit their own twisted ends."

Exactly. That's what the radicals/extremists/terrorists do.

"shouldn't we be going after the perverted version, the "evil" strain, rather than all of the religion?"

Exactly, again.

Welcome to FR.


112 posted on 11/27/2004 12:11:23 PM PST by nuconvert (Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.)
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