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To: fallujah-nuker
"The point is the collapse of the dollar will produce immediate hardships, while any benefits will take time."

Not a chance.

Americans don't wake up everyday wondering about the foreign exchange value of the Dollar. Americans don't go to Wal-Mart wondering what that cheap Chinese flashlight will cost in Euros.

In fact, 85% of American GDP is domestic. That's 85% of our economy that won't even notice a 30% decline in the value of the Dollar (i.e. the decline that we've *already* had in the past 2 years).

With that 30% decline in the Dollar, American consumer sentiment is jumping up yet again with day-after-Thanksgiving "Black Friday" sales up 10.8% over the previous record level of American shopping.

In other words, Americans are *more* optimistic as the Dollar has declined.

333 posted on 11/28/2004 4:57:08 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
Any way it's sliced and diced, "free" trade with a unfree people such as China, is a race to the bottom. Just what do we have in this country that we can sell to China....(besides our politicians)?
They don't respect our patent laws, trade market laws, election laws. They gave money to slick Willie out of the kindness of their hearts?.
334 posted on 11/28/2004 5:08:12 PM PST by investigateworld (( ...( Sorry, couldn't make it 7 days ))
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To: Southack
I response to my post "The point is the collapse of the dollar will produce immediate hardships, while any benefits will take time." Southack replied "Not a chance."

Let me just consider a few possibilities:

1. When foreigners get burned on their dollar holding they will stay home from the T-bill auction, meaning less money chasing them, meaning lower prices and thus double digit interests rates.

2. Grandma's investment portfolio was weighted towards bonds, now her bonds have a lower resale value due their lower interest rates, meanwhile...

3. Imports which are equal to 16% of our GDP are more expensive due to the weaker dollar, we already see a little of this at the gas pump. In the short term we have little capacity to increase production due to all the capacity we sent to China. Initially we will import a little less but it will cost more for less. Of course Grandma is on a fixed income, except for...

4. Entitlement spending will go up because of COLA raises, unless you expect that Congress will tell the AARP to get lost in an election year. Anyway, federal spending will go up.

5. Grandma grandson owns a house with an ARM, his mortgage payments are going up, he's upset and will probably actually get out and vote this time. Hmmm, I don't think he will vote Republican.

All this unrestrained joy over the dollar puzzles me, the cheerleaders are happy that imports will cost more. An import tariff would have done the same thing while keeping the dollar strong for what we need to import. Is their an American banana industry overcome with joy at the prospects the weak dollar will make banana imports more expensive?

Anyway, with the import tariff we would not have squandered our industrial base and built up that of China's. So we would be better off, higher prices for imports but with the capacity to produce what we need. I suppose future generations will regard those smitten with free trade mania in the same way as Dutchmen smitten with tulipmania.
347 posted on 11/28/2004 5:32:01 PM PST by fallujah-nuker (I like Ike.)
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