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A Hunt Turns Tragic, and Two Cultures Collide
NY Times ^ | November 28, 2004 | STEPHEN KINZER and MONICA DAVEY

Posted on 11/27/2004 12:42:07 PM PST by neverdem

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To: billly

I hope you know what you are talking about. I heard the hunters did not have a gun with them. I heard it on The Weekend with Mike McConnell.


121 posted on 11/27/2004 8:06:31 PM PST by Ptarmigan (Proud rabbit hater and killer)
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To: jude24
My words were: I haven't heard, but all these third worlders are the same in my book. Islam will eventually act as the rallying point for all the 'disenfranchised'.

This was in response to someone else's question about the relevance of Isalm in a discussion about the multiple murders in Wisconsin by a Hmong man.

We have many immigrants in this country who have no respect for the sacrifices that have been made to secure this Republic. In today's permissive atmosphere, it is considered to be politically incorrect to attempt to educate these newcomers as to our proud heritage. As a result, many who have lived here for generations and have suffered loss in order to water the tree of liberty, resent the dismissive attitude of these third worlders.

If labeling me a racist makes it easier for you to think through a problem, then be my guest.

122 posted on 11/27/2004 8:10:45 PM PST by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Well put!


123 posted on 11/27/2004 8:18:30 PM PST by Valin (Out Of My Mind; Back In Five Minutes)
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To: JeeperFreeper

I read somewhere that the shooter was a recent convert to islam

Where did you hear that, the Weekly World News?


124 posted on 11/27/2004 8:20:56 PM PST by Valin (Out Of My Mind; Back In Five Minutes)
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To: Iowa Granny

a person doesn't just shoot at somebody for no reason esp when he is greatly outnumber and alone...think about it, Mr. Vang have a wife and 6 kids..you really think he would risk it all and shoot somebody that told him, "sir you are traspassing, this is private land."? still i think Mr. Vang is toast.let this be a lesson, never disrespect somebody with a loaded gun


125 posted on 11/27/2004 8:26:50 PM PST by billly
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To: billly; Valin; ClearCase_guy; jude24; All
The shooter's statement to the police.

It's at the top of the page, in red. It's a pdf file...I'm not sure if y'all have read it or not.

126 posted on 11/27/2004 8:34:49 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Proud Patriots dot com! Check it out!!!)
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To: billly

Mr. Vang have a wife and 6 kids.

(for what it's worth)He also has a history of beating on his wife.

I think they cursed at him, and he lost it.(the only thing that makes any sense to me)
One way or the other I doubt he'll ever be free.


127 posted on 11/27/2004 8:40:16 PM PST by Valin (Out Of My Mind; Back In Five Minutes)
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To: billly
a person doesn't just shoot at somebody for no reason

Oh, Please. There are hundreds of examples of vermin who have done exactly that.

Not all of them have been successful in convincing a jury they were insane or innocent.

128 posted on 11/27/2004 8:41:31 PM PST by Iowa Granny
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To: Iowa Granny; Billy; Ladysmith; Valin; yall
The violence of Hmong gangs and the crime of rape

......among other things. Not JUST the rape part. This is disgusting.

129 posted on 11/27/2004 8:50:04 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Proud Patriots dot com! Check it out!!!)
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To: billly
".think about it, Mr. Vang have a wife and 6 kids..you really think he would risk it all and shoot somebody that told him, "sir you are traspassing, this is private land."?"

Yeh, think about it. Mr. Vang abused his wife. He threatened her with a gun. No one shot at Vang until he fired first and no one verbally assaulted the murderous moron. He's a killer at heart, because people didn't bow down and praise him for all his failures. I got news for you, folks like the ones that were killed don't aggitate for trouble. People like Vang do it all the time, but only to peple he knows he can kill and get away with it. Notice the coward picks on women and those that appear as easy victims. When he's done killing he goes back to hiding his crime and play acting the victim con.

130 posted on 11/27/2004 9:04:27 PM PST by spunkets
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To: Iowa Granny
"There are hundreds of examples of vermin who have done exactly that."

He apparently missed reports of the DC sniper attacks, the MN art student at UW Stout and various other less publicised senseless attacks.

131 posted on 11/27/2004 9:09:44 PM PST by spunkets
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To: AirForceMom

No


132 posted on 11/27/2004 9:24:30 PM PST by quietolong
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To: ClearCase_guy
I'm betting on the single lunatic theory, but the newspaper wants me to think that this Hmong was somehow "a representative of his culture", I guess.

THANK you. You saved me saying one single further word about this incident.

133 posted on 11/27/2004 9:25:43 PM PST by fire_eye (Socialism is the opiate of academia.)
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To: billly

Are you nuts?? I'm sorry, but insults, if they WERE hurled, does not give anyone the right to slaughter 6 people and injure two others.


134 posted on 11/27/2004 9:31:18 PM PST by AirForceMom (The purpose of life is to fight maturity)
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To: Iowa Granny

its interesting to see alot of you freeper getting upset about the hmong(i'm sorry that it turned out to be a hmong) . What if the shooter is white..would you be less upset. Believe it or not, i'll admit this, i'm a Hmong. Born in Laos, trek to(group of 200 i think) thailand..and here is i am in the US of A(currectly residing in mexifornia),now that you know (:O))..i think Mr. Vang will never get out,no way that i can see, since he admitted it. 6 lives taken, no matter who shot first, Mr. Vang overeacted(me think) and crossed the line..but i wasn't there so its all speculation


135 posted on 11/27/2004 9:45:43 PM PST by billly
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To: billly

Billy, HE brought it up in his statement to the police. HE started by playing the race card.

I'm NOT Hmong...but I've been called names, too. There is NO WAY I'd consider, even remotely, doing what he did.

I'm tired...I don't want to argue. Just please, be compassionate for the families, OK? They've lost a lot. That community has lost a lot.


136 posted on 11/27/2004 9:57:56 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Proud Patriots dot com! Check it out!!!)
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To: neverdem
The restrictions in this country have led to conflicts, with some white people complaining that Hmong people ignore or are unable to read fishing limits, clothing rules and permit requirements.

Unable to read the material? My, isn't that a convenient little excuse!

137 posted on 11/27/2004 10:02:18 PM PST by neutrino (Globalization “is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.” (173))
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To: billly
What if the shooter is white..would you be less upset.

Mr. Billly. I would be upset regardless of the color of the sniper and the color of the victims.

I believe ALL human life holds the same value.

I am upset because these hunters were bushwacked in cold blood. My husband and 3 sons are avid hunters. I shudder to think about them taking to the woods to hunt next week.

In their absence, I will be keeping a close eye on the areas of our property where they ARE NOT hunting,, and everytime I go out to run trespassers off our property, I will now go armed and ready to defend myself if necessary.

138 posted on 11/27/2004 10:05:17 PM PST by Iowa Granny
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To: Iowa Granny

Can I come stay at your house and bring my toys? I could help you patrol the grounds! :)


139 posted on 11/27/2004 10:06:57 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Proud Patriots dot com! Check it out!!!)
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To: irish guard
No, no, no! It's not about culture! And, please, let's not throw around the "murder" word so freely!

This guy killed all those people because they called him names.

It's all about being called names. It seems that everyone of the immigrants interviewed had been called names. The writer seems to think that victims of name-calling incidents are entitled to extreme reactions.

So, I've been called names. Is there a support group or maybe some federal funding available for counseling? Or, maybe I should just stay home so I won't be exposed to name-calling? /close sarcasm

Or, maybe, some of these people should just grow the freak up!! Maybe they should just say this guy (do not insert culture, skin color or background here) is a stone cold killer. Maybe some things cannot be blamed on society.

140 posted on 11/27/2004 10:07:35 PM PST by blu (Red Counties to Blue Counties.."Can you hear us NOW?")
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