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Shadow of Vietnam Falls Over Iraq River Raids
NY Times ^ | November 29, 2004 | JOHN F. BURNS

Posted on 11/28/2004 10:17:11 PM PST by Former Military Chick

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1 posted on 11/28/2004 10:17:12 PM PST by Former Military Chick
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To: Former Military Chick; All

Memo to ny times eds, Marines, capital M.


2 posted on 11/28/2004 10:21:47 PM PST by dighton
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To: Former Military Chick
More bullsh*t from the Times. Burns and his editor may be wishing and hoping for Iraq to turn into Vietnam. But their wishes will not kill enough Americans to make us repeat that mistake.

What supreme fools these arrogant b*stards of the Times are.

Congressman Billybob

Click for latest, "Jennings on Jeopardy! -- Nice Guys Do Finish First"

3 posted on 11/28/2004 10:22:55 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (Visit: www.ArmorforCongress.com please.)
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To: Former Military Chick

Still flogging the "dead horse" of Vietnam as a way of condeming the Administration's decisions in Iraq.
When will these "sidewalk experts" wake up to the reality that neither their opinions nor their approval is sought or welcome?


4 posted on 11/28/2004 10:24:29 PM PST by CBart95
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"After a marine stumbled across a yellow plastic bag lying in an irrigation panel with what he identified as a severed human head and intestines, Lieutenant Duarte radioed to headquarters and was told to leave it for investigation by the Iraqi police."

You gotta admire these guys. They must have very strong stomachs.


5 posted on 11/28/2004 10:24:54 PM PST by nj26
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To: Congressman Billybob

You've never actually read anything from Burns before, have you? Did you bother to read any of Burns' reports during the actual war? Or preceding it?

It's remarkable that Hussein didn't arrest or expel Burns.


6 posted on 11/28/2004 10:26:01 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Former Military Chick

NYT so wants Iraq to be Viet Nam that they will print anything. Credibility lost. The Grey Lady is dead.


7 posted on 11/28/2004 10:28:20 PM PST by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but have recently come to my senses.)
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"A war that America did not win is considered a bad talisman among those men and women, who privately admit to fears that this war could be lost..."

OK, one more time. The American military did not lose in Vietnam. Not only did the U.S. military win every single major engagement, Nixon's bombing of N Vietnam won a peace treaty by which the N Vietnamese withdrew from the south.

AFTER Nixon resigned over Watergate, the N Vietnamese launched a major tank assault in violation of the treaty. The American military had withdrawn and the democrats in Congress would not even permit President Ford to send equipment to our allies.

The U.S. military won in Vietnam. Vietnam was lost to a combination of liberal demmocrats and a communist invasion after we withdrew.

8 posted on 11/28/2004 10:28:28 PM PST by Williams
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To: Strategerist
Yes, I've read Burns before. The fact that he writes legitimate stories on occasion does not excuse the bias in this particular article. This is another "Do you want to buy a quagmire?" story.

Billybob
9 posted on 11/28/2004 10:30:45 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (Visit: www.ArmorforCongress.com please.)
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Unfortunately, every article that compares Iraq to Viet Nam encourages the opposition.

Burns' piece was doubtless read with interest and growing excitement by Zarqawi and his followers. Al-jazeera will happily give it broad play, as well.

Sulzberger and Keller aren't stupid. They know full well that, by their editorial policies, they are encouraging the enemy. But they don't care...

10 posted on 11/28/2004 10:33:57 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Former Military Chick

The American Military DID NOT LOSE THE VIEATNAM WAR!!

The Politicians and the The Civilians that bought the Line of Crap that John Kerry and Jane Fonda and the rest of the Communist Propaganda Machine was Spewing LOST that WAR!! WHy is the SOB Traitor still in Office in the Senate! Why is Jane FOnda still not in Prison for Treason!


11 posted on 11/28/2004 10:34:44 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Defending America)
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To: Congressman Billybob

but then their version of Viet Nam is also a huge lie. It was then and is now.


12 posted on 11/28/2004 10:34:54 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: Former Military Chick

What is this obsession with Vietnam by the NYT? If, as the story states, these guys were born AFTER the Vietnam war, I doubt these Marines gave much thought to that war unless a NYT's reporter asked them about it. I suppose the NYT and other liberal media outlets would love to revisit those glory days of Vietnam.


13 posted on 11/28/2004 10:36:50 PM PST by Nosterrex
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To: Congressman Billybob

You may not be aware that reporters generally have absolutely nothing to do with the headline of a newspaper story.


14 posted on 11/28/2004 10:42:41 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Congressman Billybob

I've seen so much Bulldog journalism in the past few years and a heap of yellow journalism; this latest sinks to a new category.


15 posted on 11/28/2004 10:44:59 PM PST by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but have recently come to my senses.)
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To: Former Military Chick

This Times yocal seems to really have a burr under his saddle. He is working and writing hard to see to it America withdraws. Undermining morale, noting the uncomplimentary comments of the Iraqi unit made about the Americans, and interjecting his own version of past military history which he apparently views as a defeat--seems a clear gift to the cause of our enemy.

How is it this guy did not become lost in the weeds on this mission? His writings and logic are "lost". He could easily have been overlooked, and lost, on the return trip.

Take a long hike shmuck.


16 posted on 11/28/2004 10:57:46 PM PST by petertare (!)
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You are on the money. At the same time he is spouting the 'failures' he does NOT acknowledge the successes that the Fallujah campaign and other campaigns clearly are.

Hence he is part of the 'Legacy Media'.


17 posted on 11/28/2004 11:14:46 PM PST by SFC Chromey (13 months in Iraq and of COURSE I voted for BUSH!)
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To: petertare

If I venture to guess this will appear in the military early bird, news from all over the world. I can only wonder how they feel as they click on the link to read the news and this is what is front of them on their screen.

Good thing there are many positive articles out there, just harder to find, but, I have to believe they see those as well.

Thank you for your post.


18 posted on 11/28/2004 11:24:24 PM PST by Former Military Chick (Lets keep the MSM to the grind stone, stories like this should not be ignored.)
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Oh give me a break! The left is just getting more and more blatantly biased as the days go on. How stupid this makes them look.


19 posted on 11/28/2004 11:25:58 PM PST by ladyinred (Congratulations President Bush! Four more years!)
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To: Congressman Billybob

I can only wonder how the Times gets away with such reporting. Do her readers not see what we do? Are they so blinded, that the truth, to them, is some five letter word?

It seems that the NYT feels using the V card, that somehow that gives them more credibility, I say HA, loud and very clearly.

Thanks for the post Congressman Billybob!


20 posted on 11/28/2004 11:33:52 PM PST by Former Military Chick (Lets keep the MSM to the grind stone, stories like this should not be ignored.)
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