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Digital memories won't last forever
Deseret Morning News ^ | 11.29.04 | Katie Hafner Katie Hafner Katie Hafner Katie Hafner

Posted on 11/29/2004 8:47:34 AM PST by Dr. Zzyzx

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To: pabianice
"Duh. CD. Good for 100+ years. Non-magnetic."

You either didn't read or didn't understand the story.

100 years? No. Not even close. 5-10 years in most cases.

Even in cases where the physical media remains intact and readable, it can be a challenge to find software that reads old file formats. Also the software that reads many old files will not function on newer operating systems. Many old Windows 3.1 programs will not function in XP, generating errors on load up.

So pick your poison. Keep old machines handy to read old files, and those machines *might* boot up for you later when you decide you need these old files. Or cross your fingers and hope the OS of tomorrow will care to play nice with your data - if your CD is still good, which is a long shot.

41 posted on 11/29/2004 9:13:57 AM PST by shadowman99
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To: pabianice
Duh. CD. Good for 100+ years. Non-magnetic.

I wouldn't count on it.

Here's a depressing little snippet:

The Dutch PC-Active magazine has done an extensive CD-R quality test. For the test the magazine has taken a look at the readability of discs, thirty different CD-R brands, that were recorded twenty months ago. The results were quite shocking as a lot of the discs simply couldn't be read anymore:

Roughly translated from Dutch:

The tests showed that a number of CD-Rs had become completely unreadable while others could only be read back partially. Data that was recorded 20 months ago had become unreadable. These included discs of well known and lesser known manufacturers.

http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/7751

42 posted on 11/29/2004 9:13:58 AM PST by Semi Civil Servant
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To: Dr. Zzyzx

Kodac's revenge?


43 posted on 11/29/2004 9:14:26 AM PST by citizen (Yo W! Read my lips: NO AMNESTY!)
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To: ProudVet77

> Different type of CD. Back then they were analog.

CDs have never been analog. The underlying data structure
introduced in 1984 is digital.


44 posted on 11/29/2004 9:15:56 AM PST by Boundless
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To: hollywood

Wut yoo sed.


45 posted on 11/29/2004 9:16:00 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: citizen

Ooops, it's Kodak, right?


46 posted on 11/29/2004 9:17:12 AM PST by citizen (Yo W! Read my lips: NO AMNESTY!)
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To: Publius6961
The irony of this whole discussion is that the most certain way to produce long lasting images is on film and acid-free paper.
I also wonder about polaroid images. Are the originals made 60 years ago still stable? That might be one avenue.

The other possibility is printing the images on paper in digital form. I recall a technique that would store digital data on paper that looked as if someone sprayed ink randomly at it.

Then of course, there is always antique "silver" film...

47 posted on 11/29/2004 9:17:59 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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To: WildTurkey

Personally yes, Apple IIc.

Workwise, no.


48 posted on 11/29/2004 9:18:40 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: xander

About 7 years ago, I migrated some 300 3.5" floppies to CD-Rs. It gave me a chance to weed out and decide what I wanted to keep.

Last year I bought a DVD-R. I have some 20 CD-Rs, mostly old software versions. I think about migrating to DVD-R and tossing, but some of the old programs are still usable. I have a laptop that runs Win95 and know people still running Win98. So, I'll wait awhile before dumping the older programs.


49 posted on 11/29/2004 9:18:48 AM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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To: artzboy

It was definately a selling point for me.


50 posted on 11/29/2004 9:19:26 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: Publius6961

How expensive is it and where is it offered?


51 posted on 11/29/2004 9:19:51 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: Capriole

Easy. Depending upon the setup you have, there are several ways.

1. Copy floppy from old to new. You most likely have a Single-Side (SS) Single-Density, or Double Density (DD) Floppy Disc Drive (FDD). SS-SD is 180kb, SS-DD is 360kb DD-SD is 720kb and DD-HD is 1.2MB (all but DD-HD are correct or close, could be 3.5" ;) .) You need to buy a 5 1/4" (5.25") FDD off of eBay (or perhaps the local PC repair shop.) I don't recall if the interface is different, it's been a few years, but I think that a current ATX Legacy FDD controller/interface/cable will work with the old/new system -- YMMV.

2. The method I'd use. You need to use Hyperterm on your Windows PC and a terminal app on the ancient PC; connect them with a null modem cable and to a Xmodem/YmodemG or similar transfer protocol. Check the Hyperterm help files or Google a bit as I don't have time to give a null terminal HOW-TO. Of course, the hard part may be finding an old enough terminal app to use. If the old PC has a modem attached (and appropriate software) you are probably set.


52 posted on 11/29/2004 9:20:58 AM PST by dagar
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To: Capriole
I have a ca. 1981 ATT PC which still runs Wordstar very nicely. Am trying to figure out how on EARTH to get some of the data off the hard drive and onto my regular computer.

You can hook up a modem or even just a serial link and transfer files.

Or, just take the disk drive out, put it in your "regular computer" and copy the files to your "regular" hard disk.

53 posted on 11/29/2004 9:21:23 AM PST by WildTurkey
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To: Dr. Zzyzx
Ahhh, this soothes some of my angst about not owning a digital camera yet.

I can make a print from the negative of a picture my parents took in the 50's. If I had a negative from 1900 or before, I could make a print of it as well. Good luck to those trying to make prints off of a floppy or CD in 2004.

I'm in the process of "going digital", but I will make semi-archival prints of everything I think is worth saving.

54 posted on 11/29/2004 9:22:33 AM PST by Semi Civil Servant
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To: pabianice
CD good for 100 years? Then how come the article says otherwise? I want the truth ... 5 years or 100 years!!! I wonder how this guy was storing his CD's to 'notice' degradation after 1.5 years ! sheesh ... bet he was using them as coasters!!

Yet Cohen said he had noticed that some of his CDs, especially the rewritable variety, are already beginning to degrade. "About a year and a half ago they started to deteriorate and become unreadable," he said.

55 posted on 11/29/2004 9:22:47 AM PST by AgThorn (Go go Bush!! But don't turn your back on America with "immigrant amnesty")
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To: Dr. Zzyzx
Have a rotational backup to a series of CD's.

Rotate in new CD replacements every several years.

Always convert to the latest format.

56 posted on 11/29/2004 9:23:06 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: Bikers4Bush
Well I have some from the 80's that are still good as new and work just fine so at least 20+ years.

I suspect you are referring to commercially-created CD's, not the less reliable home-burned CD's. I think the issue is that the home-burners don't create discs that are as reliable long-term as the commercially-produced discs.
57 posted on 11/29/2004 9:23:46 AM PST by AaronInCarolina
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To: Publius6961

Why not?? Paper photographs have lasted 100 years. Tintypes have lasted 100 years. Cave paintings have lasted 1000+ years.


58 posted on 11/29/2004 9:24:34 AM PST by daylate-dollarshort
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To: Dr. Zzyzx

bump


59 posted on 11/29/2004 9:25:36 AM PST by VOA
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To: Semi Civil Servant
Good luck to those trying to make prints off of a floppy or CD in 2004.

I make prints off of CDs all the time... am I missing something here? Did you mean to say 2104?

60 posted on 11/29/2004 9:26:16 AM PST by new cruelty
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