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Iran not afraid of US pressure, supreme leader says ["will never stop its nuclear programme"]
AFP Via SpaceWar ^ | 11-29-04 | AFP

Posted on 11/29/2004 9:59:25 AM PST by OXENinFLA

Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said Monday his country would press on with its nuclear programme and was not afraid of pressure from the United States.

"The people and the officials are not scared of the political threats made by the powers in the service of oppression," Khamenei was quoted as saying by state television during a meeting with visiting Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.

"Iran will never stop its nuclear programme, that is our red line," he said in comments that coincided with Iran's agreement to suspend, but not halt, its controversial work on the nuclear fuel cycle.

Khamenei, who has the final say on all matters of state, said the suspension agreement with Britain, France and Germany -- designed to prevent the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) from referring Iran to the UN Security Council -- "were carried out while respecting this red line".

(Excerpt) Read more at spacewar.com ...


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"Iran will never stop its nuclear programme, that is our red line" Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said Monday


And there's still a debate on what Iran wants and will continue to do?

1 posted on 11/29/2004 9:59:27 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: OXENinFLA

For God's sakes, let's just bomb this stupid country and get it done. We all know that's where it's headed. Why wait? Muslims are simply incapable of co-existing peacefully. They have to be bombed into submission.


2 posted on 11/29/2004 10:00:53 AM PST by Trippin
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To: OXENinFLA

Next stop, Iran.


3 posted on 11/29/2004 10:00:55 AM PST by West Coast Conservative
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To: OXENinFLA
Sand to glass for the be-aches may curtail their plans.
4 posted on 11/29/2004 10:01:09 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; RandallFlagg; ...
IRAN PING.............
5 posted on 11/29/2004 10:01:52 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: Trippin

Just remember this quote the next time you hear a report from the MSM that Iran has agreed to stop it's nuke programs...


6 posted on 11/29/2004 10:03:01 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: OXENinFLA
Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said Monday his country would press on with its nuclear programme and was not afraid of pressure from the United States.
Be afraid.... be very afraid.

7 posted on 11/29/2004 10:03:44 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67- '68)
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To: All
Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, seen here 14 November 2004, said his country would press on with its nuclear program and was not afraid of pressure from the United States(AFP/File)
Mon Nov 29,11:55 AM ET
AFP

Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, seen here 14 November 2004, said his country would press on with its nuclear program and was not afraid of pressure from the United States(AFP/File)

8 posted on 11/29/2004 10:04:21 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: OXENinFLA

I don't understand why the international community will keep buying this bile pouring from Iran. It's the 1930's all over again!!


9 posted on 11/29/2004 10:06:37 AM PST by MasterBetty
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To: OXENinFLA

Ouch!!!!

Field test the MOABs. Lets start with dropping 100. Then use the diamond tipped earth penetrators.

Any other suggestions? Would like to have it done prior to Christmas so that I can concentrate on my family over the holiday.


10 posted on 11/29/2004 10:07:10 AM PST by samadams2000
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To: OXENinFLA

"Iran will never stop its nuclear programme, that is our red line,"

YOU CROSS THIS RED LINE YOU DIE!!!

You Cross This Red Line You Die!!

You cross this red line, you die!

Uh, you knock on my door, I'm not coming out.


11 posted on 11/29/2004 10:07:51 AM PST by Search4Truth (When a man lies he murders some part of the world.)
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To: OXENinFLA
I think we should continue our Thanksgiving spirit and thank our wonderful Eurotrash allies for all of their expertise on International Relations; proof once again that the french are world class players.
12 posted on 11/29/2004 10:08:08 AM PST by SF Republican
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To: OXENinFLA

Then perhaps we should stop it for them.


13 posted on 11/29/2004 10:08:49 AM PST by mikeus_maximus
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To: OXENinFLA
Iran not afraid of US pressure, supreme leader says You will be
14 posted on 11/29/2004 10:10:32 AM PST by embedded_rebel
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To: OXENinFLA

This has been noted in Israel. This is not the first threat of this sort from Iran.

Israel destroyed Saddams Nuclear facility in the 80's and don't be suprised to see them act preemptively to protect their population, again.

Iran has stated they would be happy to exchange Nuclear blasts with Israel. Because, as they see it, the Arab World can survive it, Israel can't.
Will Israel ever knowingly allowing that possibilty to occur?

...just my 2 cents is all


15 posted on 11/29/2004 10:13:21 AM PST by firefighter302
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To: OXENinFLA
"Iran will never stop its nuclear programme, that is our red line"

They'd better stock up on their potassium cloride.

16 posted on 11/29/2004 10:17:14 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: OXENinFLA
This is # 1 with the mulahs
17 posted on 11/29/2004 10:17:17 AM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: firefighter302

Best possible scenario..the threat of a pre-emptive strike by Israel..coupled with a loud and clear statement buy Israel that IF a nuke is ever detonated in Israel..then Israel will respond against Iranian cities..might be enough to move the Iranians to overthrow the very unpopular mullahs..


18 posted on 11/29/2004 10:17:53 AM PST by ken5050
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To: Trippin

Bomb them and if their programs are indeed under residential areas, issue a warning and then bomb and hold Iran responsible for the casualties. Let them talk all they want. This isn't John Kerry they're going to deal with. Force is all those beasts answer to.


19 posted on 11/29/2004 10:24:49 AM PST by bushfamfan
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To: Trippin

only an ignorant fool would blame a entire religion for stupidity of a few within that religion. To bomb Iran would be the worst thing for America. You would be doing what the terrorist wanted. There would be a brand new wave of anti-American sentiment within the Muslim population around the world. America would have it's biggest fear recognized (a united Muslim population). Something that even America with all of it's military and economic might could not cope with.


20 posted on 11/29/2004 10:25:02 AM PST by Neo-Player
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To: Neo-Player

Oh, boy. The "They will hate us" argument... again.

Read my tagline, Kreskin.

APf


21 posted on 11/29/2004 10:30:49 AM PST by APFel (Humanity has a poor track record of predicting its own future.)
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To: OXENinFLA

Big duh!

Like the Iranians have any intent to change their course on WMD.

The Europeans who still think they're not in a war against the radical Islamic fundamentalist:

Munich Oktoberfest bombing
Madrid train bombing
Van Gogh assassination

Just in the recent history will all just be overlooked. The Germans are led by Clinton, I mean Schroeder. They will make BIG MEDIA EVENTS OF THEIR APPEASEMENT EFFORTS, to show how they did something and made progress.

They will not talk about:

2 planes suicide crashed
1 car bomb
300+ children dead in Beslan

In just Russia in just a 6 month period. There IS NO GLOBAL WAR on terror and there is NO threat from the Islamic fundamentalist nor are there connections. These are all made up ideas in George Bushes mind. The hegemony and imperialistic Americans are looking for an excuse to gain access to “oil”. No mention will be made of:

MEK compounds in Iraq
Al Zarkari who lived in Iraq before the war
The master mind of the Achille Laura hijacking living freely in Baghdad under Saddam.
The IIS plot to assassinate George H. Bush in 1993 (State sponsored assassination plot).

The politics of Chamberlain are alive and kicking in Europe. If we close our eyes and just wait the problem will go away. People want to see something done about this, so the Europeans wine and dine those who would much like to see them bleed to death right at their feet. But all that matters is that the Iranians show some cooperation and the Europeans who are to weak to act or call a spade a spade will quickly seize the moment and demonstrate that something was accomplished. It’s a win-win situation for a short time. The Europeans can tell their people they did something without actually drawing the conclusion which “should” be drawn, since they’re impotent. The Iranians know that as long as they throw the Europeans a bone they will never back any action of the US against them. The Europeans themselves will surly do nothing. All awhile the Iranians keep building a bomb. Because every kid knows this is nothing but media eyewash what the Iranians are feeding the audience. The big though European politician will also not mention Hamas which was created and is still sponsored by Iran. No, again this would force the hand into the politically incorrect action for the contemporary savvy European politician.

How hard is it for Iran to dismantle their program? How hard is it to stop the construction? How long has this “game” been going on?

An Arab/Persian sees negotiations as a sign of weakness. Sadr/Saddam only negotiates to buy time, escape or do other things. Never is it sincere. The Palestinians are the same. The Europeans don’t care and just want to hear a big lie, even if at the highest levels they know dam well it’s a lie, it serves their political end and wins elections.

Iran has no intent to stop, but they know the Europeans. They know that their vote matters.

Red6


22 posted on 11/29/2004 10:31:57 AM PST by Red6
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To: ken5050

I hope you are right, Ken.

Can Israel effectively "threaten" Iran without actually detonating a device within Iran? Perhaps by naming targets, this would inspire the Iranian populus, especially in the forementioned areas, to act to overthrow the Mullahs and stop the nuclear program.

RJ


23 posted on 11/29/2004 10:50:54 AM PST by firefighter302
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To: ken5050
The unfortunate thing is that the opposition is not as powerful as one might believe. The Mullahs are backed by the Revolutionary Guards and other islamothugs. These guys are as brutal as Saddam's people. Just ask the family of the 14 year old child that broke the fast during Ramadan. They beat him so severely that he died.
24 posted on 11/29/2004 10:56:29 AM PST by NY Attitude
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To: Neo-Player

"only an ignorant fool would blame a entire religion for stupidity of a few within that religion"

Hello Troll. Only a blissfully stupid moron such as yourself actually believes the "it's only a few" storyline. The Muslims extremists has done a number on your ignorant head, that's for sure.


25 posted on 11/29/2004 11:01:33 AM PST by Trippin
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To: OXENinFLA
"The people and the officials are not scared of the political threats made by the powers in the service of oppression

I remember the "taliban leaders" making similar statements
just weeks before we came for them.
26 posted on 11/29/2004 11:04:20 AM PST by oldbrowser (You lost the election.....................Get over it.)
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To: NY Attitude

The strength of the opposition is really the key issue..DRZin's daily Iranian thread suggests it is a lot stronger..One scenario is that you have revolts breaking out around the country..an opposition govt is annouced..the mullahs attempt to put it down..and then the new leaders appeal to the US for military intervention.. I think the whole Iranian question is on a very tight timetable that no one eally understands. I believe that there are only TWO absolutes at work here. ONE is that the mullahs are dteremi9ned to get a nuclear weapon, and TWO. Israel will under no circumstances allow that to happen..regardless of what the rest of the world, including the US says, or does..


27 posted on 11/29/2004 11:04:39 AM PST by ken5050
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To: NY Attitude

Europe is willing to tolerate a nuclear Iran, because with the exception of Russia, they have very little oil and they want Iran's.


28 posted on 11/29/2004 11:08:01 AM PST by Stashiu ( Yeah, I am a Vietnam Vet, not a War Criminal.)
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To: firefighter302

Israel's problem, of sorts, in an "overt" threat is that it has never admitted to possessing nukes. However, I don't think the problem of Iran's disperesed facilities is as hard as it sounds. You don't have to take them all out..just a few..even the sources of power..the electrical plants..then..you try and foment, aid, abet.. a revolution from within..


29 posted on 11/29/2004 11:08:54 AM PST by ken5050
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To: ken5050

I believe that you are correct in both of your assumptions. I can remember when I was in Esfahan (during the revolution of the Shah), spontaneous demonstrations would occur. The Shah's Army would scatter them, similar to what has happened a few weeks ago with the student demonstrations. In my belief, the students and other supporters are not strong enough at this time to overthrow the Mullahs or the Revolutionary Guards. Only time will tell which way the situation will go.


30 posted on 11/29/2004 11:11:50 AM PST by NY Attitude
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To: Stashiu
they may tolerate it until they are threatened by them. The Islamothugs are not above that nor carrying the threat out.
31 posted on 11/29/2004 11:16:58 AM PST by NY Attitude
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To: NY Attitude; ken5050

RE: 14-year-old flogged to death

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=850


32 posted on 11/29/2004 11:21:16 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: OXENinFLA

Thanks for the post. These are just the kind of Islamothugs that the opposition would face.


33 posted on 11/29/2004 11:27:59 AM PST by NY Attitude
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To: OXENinFLA

This guy's house should be first on the target list.


34 posted on 11/29/2004 1:40:14 PM PST by Finalapproach29er (You can drive from coast to coast and never pass through a single county won by Kerry.)
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To: APFel

want to start a little pool on how long the newbie remains?


35 posted on 11/29/2004 1:48:41 PM PST by ASA Vet (What if there were no hypothetical questions?)
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To: Neo-Player
Don't care what the Moos think. Time for them to worry about what we think.

It's also time for Allah to die.

36 posted on 11/29/2004 1:55:57 PM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Trippin

Charles Krauthammer said a good six weeks ago that Iran was a problem that wouldn't wait until January. He was right, and the clock is ticking.


37 posted on 11/29/2004 2:21:00 PM PST by hershey
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To: Neo-Player; All
MOBY ALERT !

Neo-Player Since Nov 29, 2004

Listen Troll enough of your liberal garbage argument. If the Iranina people are righteous than they will understand our need to defend ourselves from Radical Mullahs with Nukes. The safety of the American People comes first.

This is the same argument you fools gave with the Iraq War!

38 posted on 11/29/2004 2:41:10 PM PST by M 91 u2 K
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To: Neo-Player

I agree. It's the regime that are the extremists, not the people.
Bombing Iran would probably turn the Pro-American Iranians against us.
I think we're going to run this risk with a blockade of the Gulf, too. The average Iranian will feel the hardship, not the regime.
We need to finance and support regime change. The nukes aren't the problem, the people in charge are.


39 posted on 11/29/2004 2:42:20 PM PST by nuconvert (Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.)
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To: NY Attitude

No, they don't seem strong enough now. They need help.

Why were you in Isfahan? Working?


40 posted on 11/29/2004 2:46:24 PM PST by nuconvert (Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.)
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To: M. Espinola

Good


41 posted on 11/29/2004 2:50:21 PM PST by nuconvert (Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.)
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To: OXENinFLA
"Iran will never stop its nuclear programme, that is our red line,"

I seem to recall a certain Head of a North African nation claiming that any ships entering the Gulf of Sidra would be crossing the 'Line of Death'. It would be wise to learn from history, Mr Ayatollah.

42 posted on 11/29/2004 2:52:47 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: nuconvert
I was a US contractor working in Iran to support the Shah's Imperial Iranian Air Force. I was based in Esfahan (Isfahan) but travelled to Shiraz, Doshentopi and Mirabahd airbases.
43 posted on 11/29/2004 3:12:40 PM PST by NY Attitude
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To: nuconvert

How fast could arrangements for financing and supports be put in place? Time is not on the Iranians side, as the mullahs seem to be in a big hurry.


44 posted on 11/29/2004 3:23:29 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: monkeywrench

"How fast could arrangements for financing and supports be put in place?"

I don't know. I know time is running out. And it seems the two options discussed most are bombing and financial in the form of sanctions or an embargo. I don't know why we don't hear more about toppling this regime.
Nukes don't kill, people do. Get rid of this regime, and we won't have to worry about the nukes.


45 posted on 11/29/2004 3:56:19 PM PST by nuconvert (Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.)
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To: NY Attitude

Welcome to FR


46 posted on 11/29/2004 3:58:46 PM PST by nuconvert (Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.)
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To: nuconvert

Thanks.


47 posted on 11/29/2004 4:04:23 PM PST by NY Attitude
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To: nuconvert
No matter what the nuclear sites must be removed from Iran. Having nuclear sites in any Muslim Country is dangerous and should not be tolerated. Look at Pakistan!

Iran does not need nuclear power they have an abundence of oil.

48 posted on 11/29/2004 4:11:29 PM PST by M 91 u2 K
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To: embedded_rebel

"You Will Be."

49 posted on 11/29/2004 4:28:06 PM PST by The Iguana
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To: samadams2000
8' to 10' by 3-4" Tungsten Rods Dropped from Geosynchronous orbit--with a "Circular Error" of Less than 100' are the OBVIOUS Answer.

The 'Rods Arrive with "Meteoric Force,"--Punching holes Deep enough to Annihilate ANY "Buried Facility."

There is NO Defense.

America has Restrained Itself; PERHAPS these "Mullahs" might "Re-Assess" their agressive Posture; They are NOT going to be allowed to Threaten their Neighbors with Nuclear Weapons.

WE "Have the High Ground," & WHEN the Psychotic Mullah's elect to "Go Nuclear," we can (&, I Suspect, Will) END their twisted "foray" into "21st Century Science" in a SPECTACULAR FASHION.

The Iranian Mullah's are playing by Thirteenth Century Rules with 21st Century Weapons. That "Dissonance" WILL NOT be "Allowed" to Survive!!

Doc

50 posted on 11/29/2004 4:30:23 PM PST by Doc On The Bay
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