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French hostility a chronic problem
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | 11/29/04 | Robert Novak

Posted on 11/29/2004 5:54:00 PM PST by wagglebee

PARIS -- U.S. diplomats here respond to Jacques Chirac's continued Yankee-bashing following George W. Bush's re-election by saying the French president is out of step with his people, who are not nearly that anti-American. But thoughtful Frenchmen believe President Chirac is mining a deep vein of sentiment among fellow citizens that transcends President Bush.

During a week in Paris, I encountered none of the rudeness I had been warned to expect because of my nationality. However, the question goes beyond amenities to visitors. One French intellectual described anti-Americanism to me as ''a cancer that is sweeping across the country.'' It may not be as deadly as cancer, but it surely is not healthy for France.

The chronic nature of French hostility toward the United States contradicts claims by Bush's domestic critics that his unilateral policies caused deterioration of Franco-American relations. It is less the United States with a French problem than France burdened with a serious American problem.

On his recent visit to London, Chirac pressed for ''multipolarity'': a return to international rivalries that produced the carnage of the 20th century. He also suggested there was no point trying to repair his country's difficulties with Washington and taunted British Prime Minister Tony Blair because ''our American friends'' do not ''pay back favors.'' Mocking Donald Rumsfeld's designation of France as ''Old Europe,'' he pretended not to remember the secretary of defense's name and referred to him, sarcastically, as ''that nice guy of America.''

State Department officials thought Chirac would reach out to Washington once Bush was re-elected, and U.S. diplomats here say he has misread French opinion. On the contrary, playing the anti-American card is seen in political circles here as Chirac's strongest position as he prepares to run for a third five-year term in 2007. He is unpopular, detested by the Left and considered an apostate on the Right, but may survive by bashing Uncle Sam.

The impression by U.S. officials that Chirac is going too far may be based on anecdotal evidence, such as my encounter with a Paris kiosk owner from whom I bought a newspaper. ''Oh, we just love Americans,'' he beamed as he gave me a free piece of chocolate, ''it's Bush we hate.''

However, the problem goes much deeper than Bush or the 80 percent election preference for John Kerry in French polls. A writer here told me of his 19-year-old daughter attending a one-day French army briefing, mandatory after conscription was abolished. The last four hours consisted of a harangue on U.S. foreign policy, especially in Iraq. That war was described as a plot by American capitalists to cheat Iraqis out of their oil in a lecture that would have done justice to a conspiracy-minded Internet blogger.

U.S. officials say Charles DeGaulle at least gave the United States help when needed and so is unlike the latter-day Gaullist Chirac. Actually, DeGaulle was an inconstant ally in the Cold War who often sided with the Soviet Union in return for soft treatment by the then powerful French Communist Party.

Yet, the attitude Chirac reflects cannot be blamed on DeGaulle. America may have replaced Britain, which for centuries was ''Perfidious Albion'' to the French. Jean-Claude Casanova, editor of Commentaire (France's leading intellectual quarterly) sees France's ''naive superiority'' toward the Americans.

France is burdened with problems distant from America. The economy is stagnant, and the replacement of the franc by the euro has meant higher prices but not higher wages. Thursday, 50,000 railroad employees poured into Paris to protest insufficient new hiring. The civil service dominates the government, which suffocates the powerless National Assembly. Michel Gurfinkel, editor of a small newsweekly, told me the press is ''free but not independent'' of the government.

The lone potential breath of fresh air viewed by internal critics is flamboyant populist Nicolas Sarkozy, who is resigning as finance minister to seek leadership of France's governing party and then perhaps run for president. Although Sarkozy is unabashedly pro-American, it has not hurt him so far. But his opponent is likely to be Chirac, still waving the bloody American shirt and still hard to beat.


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To: rbg81

41 posted on 11/29/2004 6:41:05 PM PST by wagglebee (Memo to sKerry: the only thing Bush F'ed up was your career)
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To: rbg81

http://www.ambafrance-us.org/comment.asp

Anyway to forward this post and it's threads to the above? It's the Main French Embassy in DC


42 posted on 11/29/2004 6:41:39 PM PST by snapperjk (If you are a terror to many, then beware of many.)
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To: rbg81
France is a nation of cowards. "We're from France....!"
43 posted on 11/29/2004 6:52:54 PM PST by snapperjk (If you are a terror to many, then beware of many.)
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To: snapperjk
"Let's load the Statue of Liberty on a barge with a sign 'Shove It Up your French Butthole'. Drop it at the foot of the Eiffel Tower! ..And I'm sure our Canadian friends to the north would help us load it, in turn for some cargo containers to box up the French scum in 'Cuc Caa P. of Q. to ship along with it."

You mean both of them???
44 posted on 11/29/2004 7:13:12 PM PST by stm
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To: Marty


way to keep the boycott alive!


45 posted on 11/29/2004 7:15:09 PM PST by phxaz (hey cantada.. who stands on guard for thee? huh? answer the question.)
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To: Podkayne
Amidst growing criticism from the EU to conform, it has been reported that the French will change their flag so as to further distance themselves from their pesky Eurotrash neighbors. They decided to go with something more indicative of their national character.....


46 posted on 11/29/2004 7:31:51 PM PST by stm
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To: snapperjk

Here's to the french, they are an evil race
they fight with their feet and xxxx with their face.


47 posted on 11/29/2004 7:35:06 PM PST by oldtimer
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To: Stratman

Welcome to FR, tomorrow.
No, it does NOT follow that if the french were not trying to backstab the USA, it would be someone else.
The french, like their Canadian and African whores, are unique in that respect.
They blythely assume the USA is much too rational to lower ourselves to retaliate in kind.
They forget the "F" factor, and that the USA created the "F" concept.
The french are soooo "F"ed, and the funny part is, they are totally clueless about how thoroughly and permanently they are "F"ed.
And how little anyone else really cares.


48 posted on 11/29/2004 7:50:39 PM PST by sarasmom (McCarthy has been vindicated. When will Carter be vilified?)
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To: Shermy

'When is Bush going to let free all the info on France and Food for Oil, and their pre-war "diplomacy" against us? He kept it quiet before letting Kerry's francophilism score points.'

Chirac, Pasqua and Annan should all serve long prison sentences. France has used industrial espionage to obtain sensitive/classified information from U.S. defense contractors which has, along with healthy bribes, rob us of $80 billion in foreign military sales (Kenneth Timmerman, The French Betrayal of America). Now that Chirac has lost his cheap source of Iraqi oil and Saddam is no longer spending millions for French weaponry, France could find themselves in in deep economic doo doo.


49 posted on 11/29/2004 7:55:34 PM PST by Ben Hecks
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To: oldtimer
Here's to the french, they are an evil race they fight with their feet and xxxx with their face. And to add: "As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure" --Jacques Chirac, President of France "As far as France is concerned, you're right." --Rush Limbaugh, Radio talk show host
50 posted on 11/29/2004 8:10:23 PM PST by snapperjk (If you are a terror to many, then beware of many.)
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To: wagglebee
France's biggest problem is their inability to accept their total irrelevance in world affairs.

Precisely! And what is also very ironic is that if they were in our shoes they would absolutely revel in it.

51 posted on 11/29/2004 8:55:43 PM PST by aquila48
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To: wagglebee
If I, like Robert Novak, had stayed only in only 5-star hotels, and I ate only at the finest restaurants, and I had a chaffered limo drive me everywhere so I would not have to walk the streets rubbing shoulders with the common people, and most important, the people knew me because I was an American big-shot news reporter, then yes I would probably give these people a favorable review. After all, everyone I met, was paid and expected to treat me like royalty, so how I write anything negative?
52 posted on 11/29/2004 8:56:01 PM PST by rawhide
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To: wagglebee

Another article on French irrelevance.


53 posted on 11/29/2004 10:28:07 PM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie.)
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To: Shermy; wagglebee

America-bashing wouldn't work if it didn't fit French notions about themselves and the world.

It does, and it does.

Watched Canadian news last night (the miracle of cable) and they were interviewing Americans who were leaving the US to move north. It included a kind of town hall meeting with Canadians and Americans. The Canadian superiority was thick, but understandable considering the topic. The Americans were mostly Kerry supporters and they were doing the most irrational of the America-bashing, unsurprisingly. They didn't seem to know much about Canada, but they were sure it was better than fascist Jesusland.

They mentioned that about 5000 Americans move north each year, and 11000 Canadians move south. I kept expecting them to include some Canadian transplants in the discussion, for balance, but it didn't happen.

Anyway, French America-bashing is infantile, but they got nothing on the average American Dem. At least when the French do it, they do it with the cutest accent.


54 posted on 11/30/2004 8:32:25 AM PST by marron
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To: wagglebee

I dunno. If Sarkozy wins (and is indeed pro U.S.), it could mean a lot more relevance for France in world affairs...


55 posted on 11/30/2004 8:54:16 AM PST by Frumious Bandersnatch
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