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To: tjwmason; ibtheman

Truth hurts. No matter how you parse it up, the Roman Catholics worship and pray to dead humans. It's just plain sad. But you can get out, too.

Just give me Jesus!

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75 posted on 12/02/2004 12:05:13 PM PST by viaveritasvita (Contend for the Truth of God against false teachings. Jude 1:3)
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To: viaveritasvita
Truth hurts. No matter how you parse it up, the Roman Catholics worship and pray to dead humans. It's just plain sad. But you can get out, too.
Just give me Jesus!


Parsing has diddly squat to do with it, protestant lies do. We give worship (latria) to God alone (the Holy Trinity), we give veneration (dulia) to the Saints, and especial veneration (hyper-dulia) to Our Lady. Veneration is infinitely less than worship. Any properly catechised Catholic will tell you that.

The 'praying' bit is more difficult, as the protestant obfuscation is worse. Earlier this evening my father prayed me to help him lift a heavy box; pray merely means 'ask' it's a tad archaic but one does occasionally still hear people use the phrase 'pray tell'. Thus I suppose we do pray to Saints, in that we ask them to do things for us; what we ask them to do is to pray to God. God is the source of all, especially the source of all providence and Divine intervention. Just as we ask other living members of our churches to pray for the sick &c., so we ask those who have passed through the thin veil of death. As you just want 'Jesus' I take it that you would never ask anybody to pray for you, and would reprimand those who ask you to pray for them.

You're right, there is a way out; or rather there are two ways out. I could commit either heresy or apostacy, in both cases I would cease to be a Catholic. I would also be damned, and so I'll stick with the Church founded by Our Lord, and lead on earth by His Vicar, the Successor to Saint Peter.

You state that you just want Jesus. May one ask about the other parts of the Godhead? We (I mean Catholics, one can never be sure what prots do and don't believe) worship the Holy Trinity made up of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. You seem to ignore two of them.

Finally, there is nothing saddenning about Catholicism, it is the very fullness of the Faith of Christ and His Church.
83 posted on 12/02/2004 12:18:52 PM PST by tjwmason ("For he himself has said it, And it's greatly to his credit, That he is an Englishman!")
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