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Around the World, With 13 Fuel Tanks and a Single Seat
NY Times ^
| November 30, 2004
| MATTHEW L. WALD
Posted on 11/30/2004 10:13:12 AM PST by presidio9
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To: cav68
And a load of diaperene applied pre-flight.
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posted on
11/30/2004 12:10:42 PM PST
by
Rebelbase
(Who is General Chat?)
To: Chode
There you go, A pre-flight cosmic butt-blaster cocktail!
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posted on
11/30/2004 12:18:39 PM PST
by
roaddog727
(The marginal propensity to save is 1 minus the marginal propensity to consume.)
To: presidio9
"
...wonder how a pilot could function for 70 hours in a cigar-shaped cabin so snug he cannot even get out of his seat."
Depends.
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posted on
11/30/2004 12:19:52 PM PST
by
azhenfud
("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
To: blackie; concordKIWI
To: presidio9
But he will need more than skill. Like an amphetamine the size of a golf ball. Recently I read an article on sleep that talked about a drug that keeps you awake without the speed-like side effects.
22,859 / 70 = 326.56 mph. Probably the reason for the jet, though a turboprop would be more fuel efficient.
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posted on
11/30/2004 12:31:44 PM PST
by
jordan8
To: RatSlayer
At the risk of being a spoil sport, it seems to me that it would be pretty easy to do a solo, around the world, unrefueled flight by taking a 747, stripping out all the seats and adding additional fuel tanks in the cargo hold and the passenger compartment. You'd probably have to overload it a bit and the takeoff would be a little hairy, but that also seems to be the case with Rutan's design. Check the numbers. It will either never leave the ground or it will not make it around the earth.
To: WildTurkey
Check the numbers. It will either never leave the ground or it will not make it around the earth.Range for a fully-loaded 747 is about 5200 nmi, or roughly 25% of the way around the world. That assumes a constant payload weight (not true if the payload is fuel) and a standard fuel load (also not true if the payload is fuel).
You may be correct, and I'm not an airplane performance guy, but I think that, given these factors, a suitably-modified 747 could probably get pretty close to making it.
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posted on
11/30/2004 12:48:14 PM PST
by
r9etb
To: RatSlayer
Not enough lift in the wings of a 747. Look at the wings on that pic and consider that it is all composite.....a lot lighter than aluminum.
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posted on
11/30/2004 12:52:40 PM PST
by
El Gran Salseron
(My wife just won the "Inmate of the Month" Award! :-))
To: shaggy eel
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posted on
11/30/2004 1:00:54 PM PST
by
blackie
(Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
To: r9etb
If you check the numbers you will see that you MIGHT be able to carry 50% more fuel on takeoff. Even with the decreasing weight during flight, that won't get you around the world.
To: roaddog727
Blast OFF!!!
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posted on
11/30/2004 1:13:45 PM PST
by
Chode
(American Hedonist ©® - Dubya... F**K YEAH!!!)
To: presidio9
The man is a force of nature. He set out to smash every significant sailing record, and he did. Ditto ballooning.
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posted on
11/30/2004 1:15:29 PM PST
by
Travis McGee
(----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
To: WildTurkey
Maybe so -- I can confirm your 50% number. Not a performance guy, so I can't challenge your other assertion.
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posted on
11/30/2004 1:19:42 PM PST
by
r9etb
To: presidio9
It's a P-38 with a jet! What a great idea, taking the most solid plane ever built as a base and improving it! I want one!
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posted on
11/30/2004 1:31:17 PM PST
by
LibertarianInExile
(NO BLOOD FOR CHOCOLATE! Get the UN-ignoring, unilateralist Frogs out of Ivory Coast!)
To: azhenfud
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posted on
11/30/2004 1:32:33 PM PST
by
LibertarianInExile
(NO BLOOD FOR CHOCOLATE! Get the UN-ignoring, unilateralist Frogs out of Ivory Coast!)
To: LibertarianInExile
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posted on
11/30/2004 1:35:02 PM PST
by
azhenfud
("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
To: Aeronaut
Thanks for the ping.
I'm glad they lost the canard like the Voyager had, which caused the cabin to pitch up and down in turbulence.
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posted on
11/30/2004 1:36:56 PM PST
by
snopercod
(Bigger government means clinton won. Less freedom means Osama won. Get it?)
To: RatSlayer
max passenger number ~ 452
200 lbs/passenger * 452 passengers = 90400 lbs
current Max range = 6100 miles
Earth circumference = 24901 miles
you would need fuel in fuselage for 18801 extra miles or about 3 times current Max range
and therefore 3 times current main tank capacity in the fuselage
(not considering increased GW effects on range which is stupid but ok to make this silly point)
fuel for current max range = 48445gals
6.7 lbs/gal * 48445 gals = 324581 lbs (you probably see what's coming)
weight of fuel needed in fuselage = (324581*3)lbs = 973774 lbs
This is an order of MAGNITUDE greater in weight than the current max passenger weight. The whole plane weighs less than 800,000!!!!
Thank you for playing.
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posted on
11/30/2004 1:45:50 PM PST
by
avg_freeper
(Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
To: blackie
,,, Fossett never sits still - always something on the go.
To: shaggy eel
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