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To: Modernman
So being an American is somehow genetic? Why would you think that a kid raised by American parents in American society from a very young age cannot be an American simply because they were born in another country?

There is no gene for being an American.

If there is no gene for being an American, than there is no American nation, just a bunch of disparate ethnic groups living in a multicultural society under a common government ... hmmm .... that sounds like liberal propaganda to me.

America was founded by Europeans of common Germanic descent from the northwest corner of Europe (England, Scotland, Ireland, northern France, western Germany, Holland, Scandanavia). When people think of a typical American, they think of someone like President Bush who is Anglo-Saxon, not someone who like Gov. Blagjoegovich from Illinois, who is of Serbian descent, or ex Gov. Dukakis of Massachusetts, who is of Greek descent. The only exception to this would be the Black American nation - the descendants of the slaves, who are their own little nation unto themselves and which is why America is always seen as White or Black.

Other people living in America who fail to meld culturally and racially/genetically into the dominant Anglo-Germanic-Irish group are typically viewed as outsiders or ethnic/racial particularists who refuse assimilation - the hyphenated Americans.

In fact, it is the amalgamation of the people from the British Isles, and from the northwest of the continent that created the unique American nation racially (just as the melding of Celt, Roman, and German in Briton created the English nation, or of Celt and Norse in Ireland created the irish nation), and it is that amalgamation that makes us not be Britons or Germans or Irish anymore. Similarly, the amalgamation of different African groups in America created the unique Black American nation, which with its colony in Liberia, clearly stands apart from their African brethren.

Perhaps sometime you will go to Concord, Massachusetts, and read the inscription at the North Bridge.

157 posted on 12/01/2004 9:50:28 AM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
If there is no gene for being an American, than there is no American nation, just a bunch of disparate ethnic groups living in a multicultural society under a common government ... hmmm .... that sounds like liberal propaganda to me.

...and you're starting to sound like some kinda nutcase which is too bad--I agreed with much of what you stated earlier in the thread. Newsflash: There is no gene for being an American. If there is a gene which causes xenophobia, my friend, I think you may posess it.

164 posted on 12/01/2004 10:49:57 AM PST by grellis ("I went to a Basketball game and a Music Awards Ceremony broke out"--discipler)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
If there is no gene for being an American, than there is no American nation, just a bunch of disparate ethnic groups living in a multicultural society under a common government ... hmmm .... that sounds like liberal propaganda to me.

Nonsense. America is different from a nation like Germany. There is no ethnic component to being American. A Turk living in Germany cannot really claim German identity because "Germanness" involves both an ethnic and culutral component.

Granted, this country (or, at least, large chunks of it) were founded by people of Northern European extraction. However, there have been successive waves of immigration to this country from places that the Founding Fathers would not have considered as being compatible with "Americanness" (such as Ireland, Italy, Eastern Europe). The idea that Anglo-Saxon genes are dominant in this country today is not accurate.

Genetics is not something one can change, but culture is. That is why the US was able to attract and assimilate milions on non Anglo-Saxon immigrants whereas a country like Japan could not attract or assimilate millions of non-Japanese: once a person accepts American culture, they ARE an American.

The Boston Brahmin domination and definition of this country has passed.

A child raised by Americans and assimilated into American culture IS as American as one born to an Anglo-Saxon like John Kerry.

168 posted on 12/01/2004 11:07:33 AM PST by Modernman (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. --Benjamin Franklin)
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