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To: GMMAC

Thank you for responding, sorry I'm so late to reply.

In effect you found what I thought you would find. I take those statements to mean that there may be fraud in the election. It doesn't speculate which side. And even if they meant them in a different way, I could come up with US Bishops who wouldn't refuse to give Communion to Kerry, and the statements of the Ohio Priest where he went to Mass. It didn't mean the Catholic Church was behind Kerry.

Its like the election here, in many states like Illinois, and even Minnesota and Wisconsin there likely was lots of fraud. If the dead hadn't voted for Kerry, Bush would have at least won Wisconsin and Minnesota. There was huge turnout in the dem areas in Minnesota where people aren't nearly as regular about voting as in the rural GOP areas.

So you see, it could be fraud by Yushchenko, and there are demonstrators for both candidates, and the whole will of the people thing can go either way.


55 posted on 12/02/2004 8:27:57 PM PST by GopherGOPer
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To: GopherGOPer; KOZ.; JudyinCanada
I'm sorry my earlier post wasn't as definitive as we'd both have liked. Although I can assure you that there's lots on the various Ukrainian sites which more than confirms that the Catholic Church is firmly on the side of reform and justice. Unfortunately, I hurried to find something as current as possible and, no matter what search engine one uses, there's the dual problems of language and simply the incredible overall volume of posts.

Your point about the mixed messages that the North American Church has given out vis-a-vis denying Communion to anti-life sham-catholics like Kerry is valid. However, as Cardinal Husar, besides being supported by his Council Of Bishops also holds the designation "Catholic Patriarch of Ukraine" - reflective of that Rite's Eastern traditions - his views carry considerably more weight within his Arch-Eparchy than would those of a Cardinal in any North American Arch-Diocese.

As for you observation that there've been demonstrations for both sides, they've been so one-sided in favor of the reform movement as to make America's vast red and blue states split seem like a virtual tie! The only significant amount of anti reform, pro-soviet sentiment is centered roughly in the most southeastern corner of the nation and along the Russian frontier. As in America, where the closer you get to socialist propaganda centers (LA & NYC) the more you find people with their heads up their asses, in Ukraine it's more or less the closer you get to Moscow! - LOL!
60 posted on 12/03/2004 6:43:49 AM PST by GMMAC (lots of terror cells in Canada - I'll be waving my US flag when the Marines arrive!)
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