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MEMRI: Kuwaiti Scholar: 'All the Good is in Secular Thought, All the Evil in Religious Thought'
MEMRI (Middle East Media Research Institute) ^ | December 2, 2004 | Ahmad Al-Baghdadi

Posted on 12/02/2004 1:28:43 PM PST by Stoat

THE MIDDLE EAST MEDIA RESEARCH INSTITUTE
Special Dispatch Series - No. 823
December 3, 2004 No.823
Kuwaiti Progressive Scholar: 'All the Good is in Secular Thought, All the Evil in Religious Thought'
 
The Kuwaiti progressive scholar Ahmad Al-Baghdadi, a political science lecturer at Kuwait University, recently published several articles in the Kuwaiti daily Al-Siyassa, denouncing religious thought and praising secularism. The following are excerpts from the articles:

'Muslims Have no Future as Long as They are Subjected to Religious Thought'

In an article titled 'Secularism and Life,' Al-Baghdadi claimed that only a society free of religion could make progress and develop, arguing that Islamic religious thought prevents progress and development:

"… Secularism as a [world] view and as a way of life was not formed in a vacuum, but is the outcome of the painful life experience of human beings which has continued for close to a millennium and in the course of which the religious thought of the Church, devised by the religious clergy, was abolished… During this experience, Western man lived in intellectual darkness and [endured] devastating wars in a period called 'the Dark Middle Ages.'

"For the person educated in sciences, industry, finances, politics, and culture there was only one solution, which constitutes a refuge for the poor societies. That [solution] is: distancing the man of the cloth from life… From that moment on, the Western world became the only world to develop, progress, and flourish in all spheres of life.

"In order [to avoid] being accused of subjectivity against the religious way of thought, let us present examples from the reality of life in the Muslim and Arab countries:

"1. Religious thought is the only way of thought nowadays that refuses to accept the 'Universal Declaration of Human Rights' on religious grounds, and this constitutes an obstacle to [the realization of] these rights in the Islamic countries, not only in the matter of inheritance, but also in matters such as equality, freedom of thought, and freedom of speech.

"2. Islamic religious thought is the only way of thought nowadays to persist in [accusations] of ridda [apostasy]… Unfortunately, this persistence [leads to] the killing of human beings, even without trial.

"3. Religious thought objects to freedom of thought and freedom of speech when religion is criticized. Moreover, religious thought reveres things that religion itself does not instruct [us] to revere. Thus, for example, regarding [the immunity from criticism of] the Prophet's companions, who are not considered part of the principles of religion or of the roots of belief. Religious thought does not distinguish between religion and its believers.

"4. Religious thought is still anti-woman even if the religious clerics claim otherwise.

"5. Religious thought is opposed to human health in matters of treatment and medicine. The prohibition of including alcohol in most medicines leads to their reduced effectiveness… [Moreover,] the Muslim doctor nowadays does not dare to instruct a patient not to fast [during the month of Ramadhan], and the hospitals therefore become full of patients who fasted.

"6. Religious thought supports political tyranny, because it opposes democracy and the constitution. [For example,] in Kuwait [some] strive to destroy the constitution and the constitutional state, and in Saudi Arabia there is complete opposition to democracy.

"7. If we were to imagine that an [Arab] regime adopted a certain religious school of thought, what could happen to the other schools of thought?

"8. Religious thought opposes the Other, accuses him of heresy, and objects to living by his side. Proof of this are the supplications and appeals [to Allah] that we hear in the mosques to destroy all non-Muslims and harm them, rather than requesting guidance for them on the straight path, [as would have occurred] had there been an ounce of human tolerance.

"9. Religious thought is the main reason for the production of terror, because of the negative interpretations of the [Quranic] verses regarding Jihad.

"10. Religious thought opposes any kind of creativity and art…

"The West did not make progress until it became free of this way of thinking. This is the only solution facing the Muslims. They have no future as long as they are subjected to religious thought." [1]

'Muslim Countries cannot Adopt Secularism because its Principles Contradict Tyranny, Oppression, Backwardness, and Anarchy'

In an article published two days later in Al-Siyassa, titled 'The Good in Secularism and the Bad in You,' Al-Baghdadi explained the differences between secular and Islamic countries:

"There is no Islamic country in which a Christian or a Jew could reveal a cross or a skullcap, and get away with it peacefully. In addition, members of [other] human religions, like Buddhism and Hinduism, are prohibited from conducting their ceremonies in public, even with governmental approval, without people harming them, as happened at the Hindu place of worship in Kuwait. In contrast to this religious persecution [in Islamic countries,] of which the [Islamic] religious stream boasts, there is no secular country that prohibits the construction of mosques, even in the event that the government does not finance them. Moreover, there is no secular country that prevents the Muslim from praying in public…

"There is no church in the secular Christian world in which a priest stands and curses anyone who disagrees with his religion or prays for trouble and disaster to befall them, as do the preachers in our Friday sermons. [Moreover,] our religious thought has no parallel to the message recently pronounced by the present Pope regarding the importance of peace for all. Contrary to the ease with which a mosque is built in secular Europe and America, the construction of a church [in a Moslem country] is carried out only with the approval of the country's president, [and even then] it is rare.

"There is no non-Muslim religious institute that teaches its students to hate the Other, claiming that he is considered an infidel, doomed to hell, regardless of whether he was of any use to mankind. This hatred is present in the curricula of the Islamic religion.

"Throughout [Muslim] history there has not been one Muslim judge who strived to attain justice for a non-Muslim who was wronged, whereas the U.S. and Europe have saved many peoples from oppression, while sacrificing human life and property in order to save other [peoples.] [In this context] one cannot but note the benevolence of the secular toward the Kuwaitis when they decided to liberate Kuwait and reinstate the honor of its government and its people.

"In the secular world the author, the intellectual, and the journalist are not sent to jail for their opinions – with the exception of the European laws concerning the denial of the Holocaust that annihilated the Jews of Europe, because this is a fact from which the European conscience still suffers. [Even in such a case, the Holocaust denier] is not imprisoned, but is merely fined. They do not consider him a murtadd [apostate], and do not seek his death, try to assassinate him, harm his livelihood, or separate him from his wife and children. In contrast, the extremist Muslims and the Islamic clerics often adopt ideological terror, issuing calls for killing, and accusations of ridda [apostasy]…

"Those in the religious stream cannot avoid admitting that all the good is in the secular thought, and all the evil is in the religious thought, for they take advantage of religion in order to harm not only people but religion itself, to the point that Muslims no longer respect their religion, and they start to exploit it for financial gain by selling Islamic books and drink.

"Do you know why Allah helps the secular country? Because it is just. Why doesn't He help countries that build mosques every day? Because these countries are oppressive…

"The Muslim countries cannot adopt secularism for a simple reason: the principles of secularism contradict the outlook of these countries, which are based on tyranny, oppression, aggression, backwardness, and anarchy. Moreover, these countries exploit religious thought in order to impose their legitimacy. Thus you find that they are the most avid supporters of the religious groups, knowing that these groups include those who support terrorism and harm society. For the religious groups do not support rights and justice as much as they support oppression and tyranny, whereas secularism [acts] in the opposite manner." [2]
 


[1] Al-Siyassa (Kuwait), November 14, 2004.

[2] Al-Siyassa (Kuwait), November 16-17, 2004.



TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: arab; arabs; islam; islamofascism; kuwait; memri; moderatemuslims; muslims; napalminthemorning; religion; religionofpeace; secularism; terror; terrorism; terrorists; wot
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1 posted on 12/02/2004 1:28:43 PM PST by Stoat
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To: Stoat

"progressive" the NEW code word for anti-Christian Communism


2 posted on 12/02/2004 1:30:37 PM PST by steplock (http://www.outoftimeradio.org)
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To: Stoat

Check your six, Ahmad.


3 posted on 12/02/2004 1:31:45 PM PST by kezekiel
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To: steplock

You can go to both extremes. Communism, an atheistic philosophy, killed millions.


4 posted on 12/02/2004 1:32:28 PM PST by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: Stoat

All of a sudden, Prof. Al-Baghdadi's life outlook doesn't look that promising...

Talking against the mullahs is a dangerous proposition.


5 posted on 12/02/2004 1:32:47 PM PST by El Conservador ("No blood for oil!"... Then don't drive, you moron!!!)
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To: Stoat

Make that "Islamic religious thought", but even then it may not be entirely accurate.


6 posted on 12/02/2004 1:33:00 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: steplock
"progressive" the NEW code word for anti-Christian Communism

In the U.S. and Europe I would agree, although I think that the focus of Ahmad Al-Baghdadi's article in this case is against Islamic fundamentalism.  He uses some ancient examples of Christianity to illustrate his points, but clearly the focus of his article is not an anti-Christian one but an anti-Islamist one.

In the context of the Arab media and culture, I would suggest that 'progressive' means a departure from Islamist thought.

7 posted on 12/02/2004 1:35:06 PM PST by Stoat
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To: Stoat
I think that the focus of Ahmad Al-Baghdadi's article in this case is against Islamic fundamentalism...

Yup.

Excellent article, but this guy signed his own death certificate.

8 posted on 12/02/2004 1:41:11 PM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs
Tens of millions. Many estimates put the 20th Century death toll due to Communism at about 100 million, give or take. The right wing has had to appologize for and distance itself from Fascism. The left wing has never appologized for or distanced itself from Communism.
9 posted on 12/02/2004 1:41:55 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: Stoat
In societies governed by the people, where rights are protected and rule of law prevails, religion is pursued by choice. It's no accident that Americans are truly the most faithful in the free world, they're free to worship how they wish and reap the blessings of faith.

Religion is the opiate of the masses in authoritarian societies, there we find the most hideous abuses of theology.

10 posted on 12/02/2004 1:43:59 PM PST by eagle11
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To: Stoat
Very interesting; wonder how long he as to live.....

This reminds me of a movie in the late 70's or early 80's, called "THE OTHER MAN"(I think), with Sean Connery portraying a Saudi Prince, who becomes King by assassination, and proposes peace with Israel. Finally the religious zealots finally just kill him.

11 posted on 12/02/2004 1:44:13 PM PST by fedupjohn
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To: Stoat

This case follows that of Kuwait University professor Dr Ahmad al-Baghdadi, sentenced in October 1999 to one month's imprisonment on charges of insulting Islam. Dr Ahmad al-Baghdadi was pardoned after serving 14 days of his sentence by the Amir of Kuwait, Sheikh Jaber al-Ahmad al-Sabah.
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http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE170012000?open&of=ENG-KWT


12 posted on 12/02/2004 1:47:42 PM PST by bahblahbah
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To: nuconvert

I hope he has bodyguards.


13 posted on 12/02/2004 1:49:14 PM PST by AdmSmith
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To: Question_Assumptions

I agree. Whenever somebody told me religion killed many people, I usually told him/her that 'human philosophy' killed even more: communism, nazism, etc. The person usually cannot say anything. The dichotomy between 'religion' and 'non-religion', I believe, is a 18th century idea that is still carried over.


14 posted on 12/02/2004 1:50:35 PM PST by paudio (Four More Years..... Let's Use Them Wisely...)
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To: weenie

Amazing how lefties completely and totally miss the irony of Mohammedans killing others because they essentially say Mohammedanism is a violent religion.


15 posted on 12/02/2004 1:51:11 PM PST by Guillermo (Michael Moore is fat)
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To: steplock

Yep out of the muzzle'em pot into the Marxist fire....from jihaad to pogram


16 posted on 12/02/2004 1:59:13 PM PST by joesnuffy ("The merit of our Constitution was, not that it promotes democracy, but checks it." Horatio Seymour)
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To: paudio

It's not the philosophy. It's forcing it on others that causes misery. That's what many people don't understand.


17 posted on 12/02/2004 2:03:24 PM PST by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: Stoat

'All the Good is in Secular Thought, All the Evil in Religious Thought'

I guess if I lived in an Islamic nation, I would reach the same conclusion. In the Christian west the opposite seems to be generally true.


18 posted on 12/02/2004 2:26:04 PM PST by Busywhiskers (You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think.)
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To: Stoat

Bagdadi needs to meet up with the King of kings, so he can learn the difference between relationship with the true God and the religion he's used to. His perception is skewed by his religious experience, and thus is off the mark.


19 posted on 12/02/2004 2:29:58 PM PST by Paul_B
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs
It's not the philosophy. It's forcing it on others that causes misery. That's what many people don't understand.

Yes. Thank you.

20 posted on 12/02/2004 2:45:04 PM PST by marron
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