Posted on 12/04/2004 6:48:51 PM PST by neverdem
You're welcome...
And for all of the "I birth at home folks", let me just say that you all are absolutely insane.
I liken it to drinking and driving....I could go to a bar and watch my beloved NY Jets while downing 10 beers, and then drive home. I would have fun, especially if they won and I didn't get a DUI.
But just because I did that and suffered no consequences did not mean it was the right, or smart, thing to do.
The chiropracter killed your babies?
I remember when I was a teen; my best friend's mom came in to tell us that her friend just had a surprise BABY. She went to the doctor for horrible back pains and he diagnosed LABOR!
I never had morning sickness with any of mine. I feel for you who do, however, I understand it is horrible.
My grandmother had her monthlies all through her pregnancy with my uncle. She was a bony little chick though and knew she was "that way" when her waist kept expanding!
My former MIL told me that they never knew their mother was expecting until a new baby showed up in the cradle.
Stop it please.
Chiropracters are quacks. I have Faith Healers in my family and both Chiropraters and Faith Healers are more interested in separating you from you wallet than "healing" you. No other profession diagnoses you and prescribes unended sessions until you are "healed" other than Psychologists.
Ignorance for her is both bliss and security.
That sounds like such a nice experience. I hate hospitals so I wish I could have had my daughter at home, too. It sounds like it was a positive experience for your daughter as well.
You can imagine what ever you want, but the market and your neighbors disagree. If they were as ineffective as your slander might suggest, they would have been gone generations ago.
Back at 'cha.
They are good at prolonging them and you don't have to be a REAL doctor. It's a total scam.
I know. I was a practicing psychologist for a long time, not a psychiatrist that you need an actual medical degree for. It's a ka-ching thing for those who can't pass the boards.
I saw the light and got an MBA with which I can earn an honest living.
People I know who have chronic or re-occuring back problems visit their chiropractor and they DO get relief. I see the difference.
I tried it -- didn't work for me, but I see that it does for other people in my close, direct and continuing personal experience.
Can't compare apples to pecans. Chiropractors are not MD's. I've been almost killed by board-passing MD's and also saved by them. Passing boards is NOT an absolute or even strong guarantee of long-term ability or fitness.
I tried it -- didn't work for me
Chiropractic doesn't work for anyone. It's a scam for people who are afraid of real doctors, read Osteopaths. You have back pain, get physical therapy and/or medication. Someone snapping your neck four times a week isn't helping. Can we say Massage therapist?
I have epilepsy. I guess I should go see a phrenologist rather than a Neurologist? I'll let the former feel my cranium and the later actually treat the problem. Yes! I need meds. I've tried the no med route and it is bad bad bad.
You are the one comparing apples to pecans (cute. oranges weren't good enough?) If you had a crappy MD find another one. I have many friends who are thoracic surgeons, OB-GYNs and anesthesiologists. They are all (and some have) thinking of quitting their practices over malpractice insurance issues. I stand by my claim that chiropractors are charlatans.
You stand by that claim, eh? Not by me would you be sued, but it is a slander. You would lose if you were sued. The evidence is already in -- even from thoroughly vetted scientific studies done by MD's.
What are you talking about? My MD (Real Doctor friends) who are ready to quit or the fact that OD and Chiroprators don't know their elbow from their breakfast bananas?
Citation please of someone actually "cured' by chiropractic in a medical journal and no, The Chiropractic Gazette does not count or the Homeopathic Journal.
JAMA? No. Lancet? No.
I await the news.
There's little hope in suggesting you research it to your own satisfication because you are already perfectly happy in your own corrupted dissatisfaction. Evidently your prejudice is a corruption of viewpoint and conclusion allowed by your attitude regarding your own life and career twists and turns.
You foolishly tell me to ignore my own senses and experience regarding the effect of back-manipulation on those I live and work with. And then that I should take the projections of how you insist it must be as the truth. That, good lady, is ridiculously presumptive for you to suggest, and more ridiculous to me should I have accepted that advice. Which I do not, and can not, for I am adult, sane and healthy.
Yet I googled up one hit, and pass it along unexamined. And this is as far as further foolishness with you in this matter will go. Here it is:
Low Back Pain of Mechanical Origin: Randomized Comparison of Chiropractic and Hospital Outpatient Treatment. Meade, TW et al British Medical Journal - 1990
That's a huge point ignored in the article. From hearing horror stories from women who have had induced labors, I get the impression that the pitocin cranks up the contraction intensity, without speeding up dilation. End result: long, hideous labors that result in C-sections.
It doesn't make sense to me, that pitocin would be used in attempted VBACs.
My first was a C-section, because of fetal distress. He was a 9 1/2 pounder who turned only 3 weeks before my due date, and was thus wedged somewhat sideways. He simply was not moving into a proper position for birth.
My second was a VBAC. She was 9 pounds and labor was not too long. Being only a couple of minutes from the hospital, I was in no rush to get there. As with my first, water broke at home, early in labor, so I knew I wouldn't be sent home after a false alarm. Labor progressed normally, and delivery was 4 1/2 hours after I got to the hospital, so I don't think a rupture was a major concern. Now if I had been induced, or was in labor all day, that would have certainly changed the element of risk.
I found, however, that recovery after the first was much easier than the second. The only bother with the C section (after the first two miserable days in the hospital), was in making sure I didn't lift much. I was driving the day after I got home and felt perfectly fine. But egads, with my second, I couldn't stay on my feet for very long, sitting was uncomfortable, and it just seemed like interal organs were not in their proper place and were going to fall out. No damage but sheesh, what an unpleasant aftermath. The books I read never mentioned that kind of stuff. :-/
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Thanks for defending us DC's. I've seen so many like her.. living in their own self-created sea of limitations.
I'm too busy getting people out of pain and off their overprescribed medications to argue.
Acupuncture also provided temporary relief to one fellow I worked with whose back had been broken when a truck hit him and threw him thirty or so feet. He had spinal surgery done by one of the country's best spinal surgeons, yet it didn't help him. Constant pain, constant laudanum. A difficult thing to watch as his senses faded away from the injuries and the drugging. He said only acupuncture proved complete relief from the pain -- but that was only when it was applied, and that was impractical 24/7.
We KNOW -- from just about every study that examines it -- the potent and signnificant effects of things MDs do NOT treat, or treatments that are "unscientific" such as belief, of prayer, of some homeopathic mixtures, of sugar pills. Of hope and kind caring. Including weird stuff like Reikke, and such -- at some level of positive effect.
And those "spirit" level things have an effect, so how much MORE do physical things like spinal alignment, like massage, like acupuncture, and macro-biotics. Yet since they involve neither cutting nor patent drugging, the jealous franchise that includes the MD degree scoffs at them. Why? Because they are out of the limited area of the franchise.
While we are on labor storys heres mine.
First Pregnancy I had premature twins. My labor went so fast all the Dr. had time for was something to numb my lower regions. The first boy slipped out like butter,the second was a breech and the Dr. had to use forceps to get up there and get a grip on him.
The last two pregnancys I had two 9 lb 9 ouncers,both breech,both full term. I had to have a C-section for both of them. I was fine with that. Whatever it takes to get that baby out safe.
Well if you're trying for #5, things must have gone well with the surgeries. I've heard some conflicting information about the number of C-Section deliveries, so I was curious.
Ethel Kennedy had 12? I've never heard that before. Good Lord. Thanks for the reply, and who knows, maybe you'll get #5, and it'll be a girl :-)
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