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Tiptoe Through the Tulips (Holland as the canary in the West's cultural coal mine)
National Review Online ^ | December 03, 2004 | Rod Dreher

Posted on 12/04/2004 9:47:19 PM PST by baseball_fan

..."The things you Americans are facing today, Holland faced ten or fifteen years ago," says Rob Hondsmerk, a child psychologist who directs Focus on the Family-Netherlands. "I see America going down the same path, and if things keep going at the present rate, it's not going to take you fifteen years to get there."

...It has been remarked that no society on earth was more thoroughly transformed by the Sixties than Holland's. James Kennedy, a history professor at Hope College in Michigan, wrote his doctoral dissertation on how the Netherlands went from being one of the most religious, socially conservative countries in Western Europe to being a bourgeois Babylon in a few short years.

...Worries about terrorism and crime manifest themselves as anxiety over immigration, yet Dutch voters also see the rising crime rate as part of a broader decline of civil society. It's common these days to hear the Dutch complaining that beneath the egalitarian surface, theirs has become an individualist culture, in which everyone thinks only of his rights, but not his obligations to the larger community.

..."The Dutch worry about what's happening to civil society, but they don't understand that the state cannot make you moral," says Livestro.

…I stumbled across a small congregation of Iranian Pentecostals, all converts from Islam, in a distant suburb of Amsterdam. The pastor, who asked not to be identified because of past violent threats from area Muslims, told me that he was shocked by the naivete the Dutch have about radical Islam.

...In this, the Iranian pastor was like most Dutch voters with whom I spoke, telling me that Fortuyn wasn't their cup of tea, politically, but he was invaluable as a catalyst for a long-overdue discussion of Islam and the limits of multiculturalism.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: marrige; netherlands; roddreher
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1 posted on 12/04/2004 9:47:19 PM PST by baseball_fan
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"A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel," said Robert Frost

This one's going in my quote file.

2 posted on 12/04/2004 10:08:40 PM PST by Constitutionalist Conservative (Have you visited http://blog.c-pol.com?)
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To: baseball_fan

Hey ... cut Uncle Sam some slack.

I guaran-damntee you that Holland ain't gonna best our bid to be the world's premiere Farmer/Exporter of Human Life.

God bless our pro-life leadership -- nationally and in California -- for making sure we stay one step ahead of Deathists worldwide where reaping grim profits are concerned.


3 posted on 12/04/2004 10:12:25 PM PST by Askel5 († Cooperatio voluntaria ad suicidium est legi morali contraria. †)
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To: baseball_fan

This situation in Holland reminds one of the movie "It's a Wonderful Life" where George Bailey is given the opportunity to look back on his community, his family and his life and see what happened had he not been there to make a difference. Recall how in this alternative world Bedford Falls is overrun with vice, and the special spirit which had previously animated the town with friendlines had melted away. At last George and his neighbors come to their senses and see that only by working together can they achieve the values they cherish. Hopefully Conservatives can make a difference both here in America and abroad.


4 posted on 12/04/2004 10:17:34 PM PST by baseball_fan (Thank you Vets)
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This article is such a HUGE Big Lie geared only toward demonization of the WOT target ... those Breedin' Muslims that neither the UN nor US-AIDS has managed to strong-arm politely into accepting our notions of "Christian" population control.

Wouldn't be near so blatant were the GOP not the primary transgressor in rendering our borders porous, encouraging foreign adoption of "special needs" kids (of a sort specifically DISCOURAGED domestically) and on top of the problem of "down breeding" and the ill effects of "well-intentioned" social programs since 1970!


HEARING HIGHLIGHTS, TUESDAY, AUGUST 5, 1969
Dr. Williams Shockley, Professor, Stanford University.
Dr. Arthur Jensen, Professor, University of California at Berkeley.
Dr. Shockley stated that he feels the National Academy of Sciences has an intellectual obligation to make a clear and relevant presentation of the facts about hereditary aspects of human quality. Furthermore, he claimed our well-intentioned social welfare programs may be unwittingly producing a down breeding of the quality of the U.S. population.



OVERPOPULATION
HON. GEORGE BUSH
OF TEXAS
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
Monday, June 30, 1969
[pp. 17926-17927]

Mr. BUSH. Mr. Speaker, as chairman of the Republican Task Force on Earth Resources and Population, I would like to comment on two newcomers to the Washington scene. They are Dr. Philip Handler, the new president of the National Academy of Sciences and Dr. Roger Olaf Egeberg, the Assistant HEW Secretary for Health and Scientific Affairs subject to his confirmation by the Senate. I was extremely heartened by the sense of urgency expressed by both of these national leaders on the problems of overpopulation and dwindling resources. In a recent interview with This Week magazine, Dr. Handler stated:
"The greatest threat to the human race is man's own procreation. Hunger, pollution, crime, overlarge, dirty cities-even the seething unrest that leads to international conflict and war-all derive from the unbridled growth of human populations. It is imperative that we begin a research campaign in human reproductive physiology. Second to the problem of overproduction is that of feeding the world. As we look toward the end of this century, we get closer to the time when the total food supply becomes limiting. If we do not provide more food, we face worldwide famine."

I assure you those typing up the progressive Party line at NR know the score as well as any other "personally opposed, but" politicians a part of the "pro-Quality of Life" Republican party.

"Fifteen years ago," my ass. They've been attuned to just this sort of line as long as they've ARGUED that state-control of legal abortion was tantamount to "economic discrimination" against the poor who so needed to abort their young.

(Which leads us back to the "moral" imperative to reduce populations where our well-intentioned social programs have alloiwed dysgenics to over-breed and harm the Quality of Life of those who Hereditary Quality -- if not the faith of their fathers -- remains intact somehow.)

5 posted on 12/04/2004 10:28:12 PM PST by Askel5 († Cooperatio voluntaria ad suicidium est legi morali contraria. †)
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=== Hopefully Conservatives can make a difference both here in America and abroad.

They've certainly been trying for decades.

It's just that Muslims haven't proven as receptive to legal abortion and the contraceptive EXCLUDING of the Creator from marriage in the same way we moral Christian types have who've left Europe childless and caused the US to consider drafting in an underclass from Mexico where we can't adopt foreign kids fast enough to make up the difference.

6 posted on 12/04/2004 10:30:11 PM PST by Askel5 († Cooperatio voluntaria ad suicidium est legi morali contraria. †)
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"They're probably not alone," says Livestro. "One of our challenges is to figure out how to reach people like that. It is part of human nature to aspire beyond yourself. There's a universal moral grammar written in the human heart. If you can speak to people in that brief moment, and speak to those words written on their hearts, people can change sometimes."

The Dutch need a Rush Limbaugh of their very own.

Desperately.

7 posted on 12/04/2004 10:48:43 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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It's axiomatic that a conservative is a liberal who has gotten mugged. The Netherlands is in the process of getting mugged. I suspect, however, that it will take a major crisis to turn that country around. I've spent a little time there, and "clean" Amsterdam is a sewer running through a zoo.
8 posted on 12/04/2004 10:54:24 PM PST by Malesherbes
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To: Askel5

In some ways abortion and contraception have excused and enabled the abandonment and using of women in irresponsible ways thereby undermining the health of lives, familites and community. When freedom becomes promiscuity, it no longer is freedom but turns into bondage.

Working towards alternative positive choices and values to enable people to live more constructive lives will do far more than repressing the issues which will not make them go away but will direct them into more destructive paths. Criminalizing personal behavior in regard to alcohol and illegal drugs for example has been only marginally effective and when instituted only created a large black market. Yes, lines need to be drawn, but that is not sufficient. People get trapped and this becomes their way of coping.

Only by letting others know of a God of Love and Justice and Mercy who cares about people and wants them to be able to regain discipline over their lives so they can be happy and free will they come to change their lives of their own accord. Without God, without submission to that which transcends ourselves - truth, justice, mercy, goodness - there is no anchor to stop the cultural drift imho.

Since these virtues span cultures and religions, something besides a nihilistic multiculturalism needs to emerge if I understand the author, and this would be what is understood as Conservatism. One could be a Conservative Muslim or a Conservative Christian or Conservative Jew and be for the right values and enjoy each other's company.


9 posted on 12/04/2004 11:29:23 PM PST by baseball_fan (Thank you Vets)
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Is this a valid comparison of Holland and the US?
10 posted on 12/04/2004 11:50:11 PM PST by katya8
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To: baseball_fan; All
Islam, The Alleged Religion of Peace® ( TARP™ )? Click this picture:


11 posted on 12/05/2004 12:40:58 AM PST by backhoe (-30-)
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Nice post. Indeed that is the case.

As the Catholic Church can attest, ONLY the Muslim nations have sided with her in the valiant fight against the continued forcing on weak nations --- though coercion, bribery and other strongarm tactics -- of UN/US-AIDS implements of deathist population control which only dehumanize the populations thus targeted.

It is not to our credit we were so easily "educated" by the Sexual Revolution to demand as rights those tools of "sexual liberation" or "reproductive rights" which are actually the source of broken families, rank promiscuity, depersonalization of the unborn and women, etc. etc. PRIMARILY for the fact they are designed to consistenly EXCLUDE the Creator from the most vital aspects of our lives.

I have no doubt that some black and brown folks filling in the gaps left by a childless Europe are not faithful folks and perhaps even hardened criminals. I see no reason to demonize all based on the Show Crimes of a few when -- further -- such Show Crimes have proven throughout time to be the handiwork of those who wage war through deception in order that they may more easily sweepgate the Mob into whatever corral they've got waiting.


12 posted on 12/05/2004 9:03:22 AM PST by Askel5 († Cooperatio voluntaria ad suicidium est legi morali contraria. †)
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