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Dutch to prosecute man for allegedly supplying Saddam Hussein with lethal chemicals [Halabja]
Boston.com ^ | 12-07-04 | Toby Sterling

Posted on 12/07/2004 4:20:15 AM PST by OXENinFLA

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) Prosecutors said on Tuesday they will charge a Dutch chemicals dealer as an accomplice to genocide for supplying Saddam Hussein with lethal chemicals used in the 1988 chemical attack on a Kurdish town that killed an estimated 5,000 civilians.

Wim de Bruin of the national prosecutor's office said the suspect, who was arrested in Amsterdam on Monday, will face charges ''for violating the laws of war and involvement in genocide.''

Prosecutors said Frans van Anraat, a 62-year-old chemicals dealer, had been a suspect since 1989, when he was arrested in Milan, Italy, at the request of the U.S. government. But he was later released and fled to Iraq, where he remained until 2003. After the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003, he returned to the Netherlands via Syria.

''The man is suspected of delivering thousands of tons of raw materials for chemical weapons to the former regime in Baghdad between 1984 and 1988,'' prosecutors said in a statement.

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But but but how can this be? Michael Moore told me the US sold Saddam these weapons........< / sarcasm>

BTW The US only sold Saddam 1% of the weapons he had. (according to the Stockholm International Peach Research Institute.)


1 posted on 12/07/2004 4:20:16 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; RandallFlagg; ...
PING...
2 posted on 12/07/2004 4:21:18 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: All
Arms transfers to Iraq, 1973-2003
3 posted on 12/07/2004 4:25:17 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: OXENinFLA
========= Halabja =========

Children, previously playing in Halabja
Victims of Saddams' WMD in March 1988.



4 posted on 12/07/2004 4:27:05 AM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: OXENinFLA
The US only sold Saddam 1% of the weapons he had.

Just remember, those are conventional weapons. The US sold Saddam no chemical or biological weapons. None, nada, zip. And don't let anyone tell you otherwise. They might claim that American companies sold some dual use chemicals but the government only provided licenses, it did not sell him anything. In any event, no one has been able to show that any American dual use chemicals have been weaponized.

5 posted on 12/07/2004 4:29:13 AM PST by ChuckShick (He's clerking for me...)
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To: OXENinFLA

Oh Geez ... there goes another argument of Michael Moore's out the window

And to think .. the Hollywood Numb Nuts want to give Moore the Best Movie of the Year Award


6 posted on 12/07/2004 4:30:07 AM PST by Mo1 (Should be called Oil for Fraud and not Oil for Food)
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To: ChuckShick
The Dissident Frogman

Here's that bar chart again, one you can read this time. Be sure to read the comment nest to the red and green dots...};o)

7 posted on 12/07/2004 4:35:07 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: OXENinFLA; ChuckShick
BTW The US only sold Saddam 1% of the weapons he had. (according to the Stockholm International Peach Research Institute.)

Not even that. IIRC, the US sold some Hughes 500 helicopters to Iraq for civilian use. These were later militarized in violation of the original deal.

8 posted on 12/07/2004 5:14:05 AM PST by killjoy (My kid is the bomb at Islam Elementary!)
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To: OXENinFLA

Superb bar chart. Nice work from the dissident frog.


9 posted on 12/07/2004 5:27:59 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: OXENinFLA

So what will the Dutch do?
Slap him on one wrist? or both?


10 posted on 12/07/2004 6:34:21 AM PST by Redbob
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To: OXENinFLA
What is the saying? Chemicals don't kill people, megalomaniac middle eastern dictators kill people. I guess the Dutch will be prosecuting gun and SUV dealers next. Makes sense, since everyone knows guns and SUV's are murderers.
11 posted on 12/07/2004 7:04:58 AM PST by monday
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To: Redbob
I say we give him to the new Iraqi Gov't........Maybe they'll set him free, in Halabja.
12 posted on 12/07/2004 7:09:10 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: OXENinFLA

Where'd you get that graph? I'd like to get a more legible copy of it...

tje


13 posted on 12/07/2004 7:14:49 AM PST by tje
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To: tje

See post #7


14 posted on 12/07/2004 7:15:38 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: OXENinFLA

What are those things you just posted? Are they facts? Facts? Don't let the dems see this - they will turn into pillars of stone.


15 posted on 12/07/2004 7:30:36 AM PST by RtWngr (Being tolerant of the intolerant is pretty stupid actually.)
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To: RtWngr
What are those things you just posted? Are they facts? Facts? Don't let the dems see this - they will turn into pillars of stone.

Gee and all this time I thought Rummy personally delivered WMD to Saddam in his luggage in 1983, that's the "conventional wisdom" isn't it? LOL

16 posted on 12/07/2004 8:24:06 AM PST by Mister Baredog (PLEASE be sure you have a flag up on your FReeper homepage.!!!)
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To: OXENinFLA
But but but how can this be? Michael Moore told me the US sold Saddam these weapons........< / sarcasm>

Please avoid confusing Michael Moore and his ilk with the facts. There aren't enough psychiatrists to go around.

17 posted on 12/07/2004 8:48:34 AM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Time to let slip the dogs...)
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To: Redbob

"So what will the Dutch do?
Slap him on one wrist? or both?"

My guess is they'll shake their fingers at him and say, "Naughty, naughty!"


18 posted on 12/07/2004 9:57:52 AM PST by Panzerlied ("We shall never surrender!")
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To: OXENinFLA

I love the dissident fog. I hit his site at least once a month and have forwarded the link to it out over the electronic ether. He did nice work on the flash video of Saddam's atrocities against his own people too.


19 posted on 12/07/2004 10:04:59 AM PST by cake_crumb (Goal of the Left="One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: DYngbld

ping


20 posted on 12/07/2004 10:22:52 AM PST by wasp69 ("You're done, Rather! No more 'Divine Right of Kings'!" - Oliver "Buckhead" Cromwell (sorta)
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Dutch national involved with weaponsprogram Iraq (delivering chemicals to produce musterdgas)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/838644/posts


21 posted on 12/07/2004 10:42:34 AM PST by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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To: Redbob
Well, he was selling raw materials (precursors), not actual CW agents. Most of these precursors have non-weapon uses as well (like making pesticides, or specialty glasses, or some pharmaceuticals).
22 posted on 12/07/2004 1:10:23 PM PST by GSlob
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To: Alabama MOM

Ping to the photos


23 posted on 12/07/2004 5:05:04 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (Today, please pray for God's miracle, we are not going to make it without him.)
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To: OXENinFLA; Calpernia; Velveeta; SevenofNine

Ping


24 posted on 12/07/2004 5:06:14 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (Today, please pray for God's miracle, we are not going to make it without him.)
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To: OXENinFLA

''This was not my main business, this was something I did in passing."

"It was just a hobby. I shouldn't be held responsible."

Skip the trial. Hand him to Zarqawi instead. Then we can be assured of justice.


25 posted on 12/07/2004 6:13:00 PM PST by chava
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To: OXENinFLA

26 posted on 12/08/2004 9:52:10 AM PST by crushelits
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To: OXENinFLA

It is strange to see Russia, France and China grouped like that. It makes you wonder if there are any other U.N.known connections...


27 posted on 12/08/2004 1:44:10 PM PST by jrestrepo
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To: OXENinFLA
Remember Michael Moore was telling a story. Now he is trying to find another story, in time for the next elections. He's trying to get the democrats to tell better stories.

Facts don't matter, just better stories- the leftist way

28 posted on 12/08/2004 7:11:46 PM PST by Moorings
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To: Fedora

Van Anraat getting caught in Milan, Italy is interesting in that it's a hub for the Ansar al Islam group that's been such a pain in the arse in Iraq. Zarqawi's tied with Milan and he's also notorious for being al Qaeda's chemical specialist.


29 posted on 12/09/2004 2:21:11 AM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: piasa
Thanks. That got me wondering if the old Red Brigades network is in the background of this.

In the Spotlight: The New Red Brigades/Communist Combatant Party

Financing/Aid: Weapons obtained from abroad and the PLO. Financing possibly through armed robberies.

30 posted on 12/09/2004 11:20:55 AM PST by Fedora
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To: piasa
This regards bioweapons but I'd guess the networks overlap:

Biological Terrorism

according to Jackson, "throughout the 1970s and 1980s the Red Army Faction, Red Brigades, and more extreme Palestinian elements, put considerable effort into attempting to recruit microbiologists, purchasing bacteriological experimentation equipment, and dabbling in sending toxins including anthrax through the post to potential victims" (1992: 520)44

44) See also the remarks of Harvey J. McGeorge: "There is ample recent and ongoing use of biological or toxin agents by terrorist groups with international connections" (Roosevelt 1986: 39).

31 posted on 12/09/2004 11:26:51 AM PST by Fedora
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To: piasa
A little further down that same link I just quoted:

a report in the Cairo newspaper Al-Ahbar during the Gulf War that Iraq maintained a "network of secret agents in Europe prepared to use chemical and bacteriological bombs in addition to ordinary explosive in the capitals of the European countries." According to the report, cited in the 25 January 1991 Komsomolskaya Pravda of Moscow, "Their targets have been defined: airports and airline offices, plants, schools, trains and railroads, oil refineries and even hospitals in which the wounded will be undergoing treatment. The world's largest oil refinery, in Rotterdam, has allegedly been identified as one of the most important targets. Nor will the terrorists overlook the mass media in Europe. There have already been threats from Baghdad against the BBC" (Shumilin 1991)

32 posted on 12/09/2004 11:29:22 AM PST by Fedora
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To: ChuckShick
In any event, no one has been able to show that any American dual use chemicals have been weaponized.

I would highly doubt that. The crux of Hussein's chemical weapon's system was based of his agricultural industry. Iraq played into its large agricultural base considering the desert region, and made a large showing of its exports. U.S. companies did supply chemicals for industrial insecticides, which can be used for a chemical weapon system. Remember that these sales were approved only by U.S. Customs, and their approval only amounted to the fact that all export duties were paid. It was good loophole that Hussein played into. Also remember the huge caches of Industrial Insecticides found during the Iraq war that were falsely identified as WMD's.

33 posted on 12/09/2004 11:29:24 AM PST by chudogg (www.chudogg.blogspot.com)
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To: OXENinFLA

Looking at the methodology of the SIPRI study, even the 1% figure is high. Much of the "weapons" were actually civillian platforms that were later modified, as one poster pointed out, the Bell helicopters designed for VIP transport that were weaponized after the sale. Theoretically, any platform can be weaponized after the sale.

I have exhuastively tried to find actual documented weapons sold to Iraq by the U.S. government, and so far all I have ever found was off-handed refrencing to a Cluster Bomb shipment transported via Chile, by i have never seen anything actually documented.

It very well could be 0%. Depending on what you call a weapon system. Keep in mind, SIPRI is a left wing organization.


34 posted on 12/09/2004 11:36:21 AM PST by chudogg (www.chudogg.blogspot.com)
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To: Fedora

Thanks for that info


35 posted on 12/10/2004 2:02:34 AM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Shermy; cyncooper; Peach; muawiyah
for those of you following the anthrax business, check out Fedora's find here:

according to Jackson, "throughout the 1970s and 1980s the Red Army Faction, Red Brigades, and more extreme Palestinian elements, put considerable effort into attempting to recruit microbiologists, purchasing bacteriological experimentation equipment, and dabbling in sending toxins including anthrax through the post to potential victims" (1992: 520)44

36 posted on 12/10/2004 2:05:58 AM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: piasa

A most interesting find; thanks for the ping, piasa.


37 posted on 12/10/2004 3:48:42 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists and international criminals than they ever captured or killed)
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