Atheists, not Muslims, are anti-Christmas

The Australian ^ | 7th December 2004 | Waleed Aly

[nuconvert]

"The pc left has aligned itself directly with radical islam." Yes it has. And no this man can't speak for all muslims.



"Jesus is a revered, prophetic figure in Islam "

Are you aware of this?

[ariamne]

So I've heard. I've also heard "Islam is a religion of peace". I happen to question things I hear when they are coupled with actions that belie these quaint little homilies. Jesus was also born of a Jewish woman, and I've seen little respect for Jews or Women in Islamic teachings. What is it you are attempting to pitch? Get to the point, please.

[nuconvert]

My initial comment to you was with regard to your comment about what was happening at your local schools.
Yes, the PC Left make the rules there. And they think they need to protect all muslims from jesus. But they're too stupid to realize, that muslims don't want to be protected from the birth of Jesus, since he is revered. The point is made in #17 & 15.

[nuconvert]

"So I've heard"

Are you trying to argue He isn't?

[Melas]

Finally, someone with some sense. I think most freepers would be shocked to find that my children enjoy christmas, and that I don't ruin it for them because I'm an atheist.

[Melas]

I'll make room on the bench. I'd say your experience is typical for an atheist.

[ariamne]

Then you misunderstood the problem at the school. The school decision to ban Christmas songs was not to protect muslims from Jesus, but to protect NON-muslims from Jesus, and to protect the school from angry muslims (visions of Russia in their bureaucratic heads). And as for Jesus being revered, tell that to the Christians being slaughtered by Muslims in the Sudan. Being a messianic jew, I would be targeted by islamicfascists on two fronts. And you haven't responded to my statement about the lack of respect for women or jews by islam, rather you keep repeating the line about the so-called reverence of Jesus by muslims. Sorry, I don't want to insult you, but I don't believe it. This isn't DU.

[smcmike]

My parents (and I) are atheists. We always loved Christmas.

[ariamne]

No. As a Jew for Jesus, I revere Him more than you could possibly understand.

[nuconvert]

You still don't get it.
Did you read #15 or #17?

"lack of respect for women or jews by islam"
Again, you seem to be stuck on a particular sect. Don't judge all muslims as thuogh they belong to extremist or radical sects. They don't. Check into sufi muslims sometime.

[ariamne]

It usually is not the aetheists. My mother was jewish, my father christian by heritage, but they were unitarians by practice (aetheists). We always celebrated Christmas, and my parents never objected to Christmas songs and celebration (or Hannukah) in the school.

[Bandaneira]

I remember a few Goths who hated Christmas who would put on extra white make-up and heavy black outfits and go out on Christmas Eve and get wasted at various inner-city nightclubs.

Poor creatures of the night the Goths. A "Save the Goth" Fund should be started.

[ariamne]

Yes, I read the posts. What am I supposed to be convinced of? ALL sects of islam make me squeamish. I don't blame the people, they cannot help it that they are brainwashed by a series of cults that mask as a great religion. But I also know not to trust them for the same reason. Are you muslim?

[nuconvert]

The question was about whether you were trying to argue that muslims DON'T revere Jesus. Not about whether you did.

I think where all this is getting us, is that you don't distinguish between individuals, but rather lump all muslims together and judge them as a group; they're all the same to you. That's what all your comments have reflected.

[ariamne]

In my day, it was punk rockers (I was one, pink hair and all) who hated Christmas. I think it's because they feel its so anti-nihilistic. And uncool. So it is with Goths. Black is the color of my true love's hair, lips, and fingernails..

[ariamne]

And I stand by my comments, with apologies to no one. I don't need to conform to your standards, nor do I need to be politically correct. Everything I needed to learn about Islam, I learned on 9/11, as the saying goes. And no, I don't believe muslims revere Jesus. EOM.

[nuconvert]

Nope. Not to my standards.
Goodnight.

[ariamne]

Yes, run back to DU. In the words of Barbara Bush to Al Franken, "I'm through with you".

[Bandaneira]

I knew some really great Goths who I always asked to my parties. I always enjoyed getting different groups of people together at a party : Corporate bankers, ferals, goths, journalists, students, backpackers, models, and some punks. The more costumes and colours the better. It is also a myth to say that people who wear Gothic clothing are all anti-social rebels. Some of the most conservative and best people I know would wear some of the most outrageous clothes, while some of the most psychopathic, dysfunctional people I have ever met wore boring, conformist clothes.

P.S. I used to love Bauhaus and Sisters of Mercy...A track just entered my mind..."Bella Lugosi's dead."

[RoarkMan]

I know most atheists are anti-christian but for the record: I am not. I loath my fellow atheist and their victim mentality. I think society is better off with most people practicing organized religions. In fact, I take my family to Catholic mass every week and volunteer at the Church. Atheist are on a secular crusade have elevated their non-belief to a religion of its own and are trying to force it on the rest of society. When you believers finally have had enough and are burning the atheist alive...just remember that I'm on your side.