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To: Valin

"radical Islam" or "Islamic fundamentalism" of the new political type is in fact a bastard modernization of authentic Islam"

A "bastard"(ization) is what it is.


123 posted on 12/08/2004 10:07:33 AM PST by nuconvert (Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.)
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To: nuconvert

Maybe you could tell me what exactly the real face of Islam is.


124 posted on 12/08/2004 10:12:59 AM PST by Protagoras (Christmas is not a secular holiday)
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To: nuconvert

Nu convert wrote ["radical Islam" or "Islamic fundamentalism" of the new political type is in fact a bastard modernization of authentic Islam"
A "bastard"(ization) is what it is].

So this is the authentic Islam as I read from Quran aka The Book of Jihad -
4:89 if they turn back (to enmity aka turn away from Islam) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,

4:91 If they keep not aloof from you nor offer you peace nor hold their hands, then take them and kill them wherever ye find them. Against such We have given you clear warrant.
(By the way offering peace in Islam means Surrendering to Islam. All 67 out of 68 wars of Muhammad were offensive. They are called qazwah (raid, ambush, sudden attack). That is how Muhammad waged his wars. He raided, massacred and looted civilians with no warning. The one defensive war, 'ditch' was not fought. That is why the Islamic terrorism 'jihad' will continue until the West "offers peace". This was made clear by Bin Laden.)

5:33 The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;
(Note: So in other words whoever or whatever country opposes Islam or Islamic Law or its principles are at war with Islam. And as you can see, the punishment prescribed for such opposition to Islam is well prescribed in the Book of Jihad).

So Jesus is revered in Quran huh? Is this how He is revered? By denying that Christians and Jews are not eligible into heaven? look at the following verse -

5:72 They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah (himself) said: O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden paradise. His abode is the Fire. For evil-doers there will be no helpers.

8:55 Lo! the worst of beasts in Allah's sight are the ungrateful who will not believe.

If a Muslim refuses to fight in a Jihad against an infidel or a non-Muslim or its government, this is what Allah will do.
9:39 If ye go not forth He will afflict you with a painful doom, and will choose instead of you a folk other than you. Ye cannot harm Him at all. Allah is Able to do all things.

9:73 O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end.

113 It is not for the Prophet, and those who believe, to pray for the forgiveness of idolaters even though they may be near of kin (to them) after it hath become clear that they are people of hell-fire.

123 O ye who believe! Fight those of the infidels who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you,, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).

Is this the reason the Islamic fundamentalists blow up the non-Muslims, Christians and Jews?

28:86 Thou hadst no hope that the Scripture would be inspired in thee; but it is a mercy from thy Lord, so never be a helper to the disbelievers.

33:1 Keep thy duty to Allah and obey not the disbelievers and the hypocrites. Lo! Allah is Knower, Wise.

Is this the reason Islamists aka Muslims cannot obey or help non-Muslim governments convict a fellow Islamist when that fellow Islamist is blatantly guilty?

So tell me how can someone modernize Islam? because if they try to modernize then they are disobeying what is commanded in the Book of Jihad as mentioned in the above verses. So to make long story short, there is nothing as modern Islam or moderate islam. All Islam is radical.

Nuconvert, now I hope you will not say, "Gee, you are taking the verses out of context"? What is the context if the context of the Book of Jihad is not Jihad aka fight of a Muslim (against non-Muslism/infidels)?








130 posted on 12/08/2004 11:05:00 AM PST by velocityguy
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