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To: Tired of Taxes
Oh, c'mon now, you DO have a problem with people who don't share your beliefs.

No I don't. Only with those who pretend they do. The ones who spit on it any chance they get, then pretend they embrace it when it suits them, and ALWAYS, ALWAYS, condescend. You have the problem my friend, not I.

But, imho, it's a free country, or at least it should be, and you're entitled to the right of disliking people.

I do have that right, but I don't exercise it much. Certainly not in the way that you are trying to mislead people into thinking. But hey, like I said, lying is no problem for you folks, I mean, what would the consequences be?

But if you think that Christmas should be observed as a federal holiday,

I don't. You made that up.

that Christmas traditions should be celebrated in public schools

I don't think there should even be GOVERNMENT schools (most schools are public) much less that some atheist government employee should be involved in my children's' celebration of salvation. You made that up too.

and in taxpayer-funded displays,

My, you have a vivid imagination, you make up all kinds of fantasies.

how can you turn around and say that the same people being forced to observe/celebrate it should not participate?

Forced? You are delusional. I urge you to pull your children out. Just like I urge Christians to pull their kids out of "winter celebrations", and government schools.

BTW, if you don't want other people "horning in on" your holiday,

"Horning in"? I invite anyone to join in if they are open to the meaning and actually joining in as potential believers, but I detest people who demand in, and then want to change it to their bizarre belief system. They want to secularize it. What they should do is just ignore it. BUT,,,they are hypocrites.

While it's there, it IS a holiday for all of us, Christians, Jews, and even atheists.

No it isn't, it's a day off work. The holiday is not there to favor Christians, it's there to acknowledge that Christians aren't working that day, and all the rest of you can't possibly keep things running. Not to mention that you don't want to work, you want to slide in and take advantage of the situation. So you can pretend you are Christians for the fun day and ignore the real meaning.

By making it a federal holiday, observed by all Americans, all the secularism was invited into it.

No, all the secular people were invited to chill out while we celebrated. Not join in and make sickening condescending remarks while attending Christmas Mass like it was going to the movie or something, an amusement.

You people have all your own holidays, Labor Day and the like, celebrate them, have a ball. But have enough integrity to say, "I don't believe in any of this "Jesus stuff", I'm going to go along as always, it's just another day for me". But that won't happen, because you are a hypocrite.

275 posted on 12/12/2004 3:01:28 PM PST by Protagoras (Christmas is not a secular holiday)
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To: Protagoras

Actually, Protagoras, it turns out that we agree on more things than I supposed. No, I didn't "make up stuff", as you put it, but obviously I did make assumptions about you based on your other posts. I assumed that you were one of those typical "conservatives" in the tradition of Sean Hannity et al.

But, as per your last post, you (1) don't think Christmas should be a federal holiday, (2) don't think there should be government schools, (3) don't think there should be taxpayer-funded religious displays (though your position on that one wasn't very clear), and finally (4) urge people to pull their children out of public schools.

And, guess what? I agree with you on every single one of those four points. I already homeschool my children, so I don't have to take them out of school, by the way.

I DO NOT make "condescending remarks while attending Christmas mass," as you accused. You also assumed that I don't want to work on Christmas. Quite the contrary, I worked almost every Christmas for about 5 years straight with no complaint. However, I don't think private employers, some of whom aren't even Christian, should be forced by state law to release their employees from work for that day or to pay them extra; the decision to pay their employees extra or give them that day off should be left to the employers themselves.

As for your lamenting on the secularism of the Christmas holiday, I won't comment further. You're free to feel the way you do about it. And I'm free to celebrate the day my way, with gift-giving and family.

So, with that, I wish you and your family a very merry Christmas, Protagoras! Whether you want to hear that from me or not.


276 posted on 12/19/2004 11:03:08 PM PST by Tired of Taxes (and growing increasingly weary of this screenname, too.)
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