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Rumsfeld faces tough questions from troops
CNN.Com ^

Posted on 12/08/2004 6:26:38 AM PST by repinwi

Defense chief speaks to soldiers heading to Iraq.

CAMP BUEHRING, Kuwait (AP) -- After delivering a pep talk designed to energize troops preparing to head for Iraq, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld got a little "talking to" himself from disgruntled soldiers.

In his prepared remarks, Rumsfeld urged the troops -- mostly National Guard and Reserve soldiers -- to discount critics of the war in Iraq and to help "win the test of wills" with the insurgents.

Some of soldiers, however, had criticisms of their own -- not of the war itself but of how it is being fought.

Army Spc. Thomas Wilson, for example, of the 278th Regimental Combat Team that is comprised mainly of citizen soldiers of the Tennessee Army National Guard, asked Rumsfeld in a question-and-answer session why vehicle armor is still in short supply, nearly three years after the war in Iraq.

"Why do we soldiers have to dig through local landfills for pieces of scrap metal and compromised ballistic glass to uparmor our vehicles?" Wilson asked. A big cheer arose from the approximately 2,300 soldiers in the cavernous hangar who assembled to see and hear the secretary of defense.

Rumsfeld hesitated and asked Wilson to repeat his question........

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: edwardleepitts; iraq; rumsfeld; soldiers; war
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To: repinwi
I might also add that we did in months what the USSR couldn't do in years in Afghanistan. Part of the reason was we field the finest military in the world, and we also field the finest equipment in the world. As another poster mentioned, you can blame Bubba for this.
21 posted on 12/08/2004 6:53:31 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: steplock
...the OFFICIAL view of the USAF that war is NOT to close in and destroy your enemy...

I wasn't aware of this view. My brother is a weapons controller in the USAF. He just returned a few months ago from a tour in Iraq. He and his pilots have no problem whatsoever with dropping smart bombs, etc. on groups of "insurgents" and their hiding places. They cheer as much as anyone I know when bad guys are killed.

22 posted on 12/08/2004 6:53:44 AM PST by TChris (You keep using that word. I don't think it means what yHello, I'm a TAGLINE vir)
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To: valuesvaluesvalues

I wouldn't consider it to be piling on if it were my son fighting in Iraq without armour. These soldiers need the best equipment, considering the fact that so many of them are risking life and limb.


24 posted on 12/08/2004 6:54:01 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Mr Rogers
As for these troops - wanting decent equipment, particularly several YEARS after the fight started, is not unreasonable.

Can you name an army in the world that has better equipment than ours? In the history of the world? The question is: has the definition of "decent" gotten to the point of absurdity.

If there was a way to send our troops into combat with indestructible armor that no bullet, bomb, or RPG could defeat, I'd be all for it. Unfortunately, that's not reality.
25 posted on 12/08/2004 6:56:22 AM PST by Antoninus (Santorum in '08)
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To: steplock

~ ps - my reference in this case to the USAF is due to the OFFICIAL view of the USAF that war is NOT to close in and destroy your enemy --- they take a much more PC view. ~

Nah, don't be going there...The services work best UNITED together, each with their own specialty and mission. Besides, haven't seen a PC Warthog, or a PC Puff the Magic Dragon.


26 posted on 12/08/2004 6:56:51 AM PST by Mustng959 (In loving memory of those that gave their all to preserve our Freedoms!)
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To: repinwi

I guess I wish we didn't have to balance blowing things up with preserving buildings or mosques even understanding the cost to rebuild will eventually fall mainly on U>S> taxpayers. Sometimes my anger with the terrorists makes me want more shock and awe.


27 posted on 12/08/2004 6:57:52 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: repinwi

Just tell him the election is over and Bush won so all hell could break loose over in Iraq and he can't do sh!t about it, but cry in his pillow.


28 posted on 12/08/2004 6:58:01 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Drennan Whyte

Why should he care how they feel? They can't leave the service.


29 posted on 12/08/2004 6:59:07 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Quilla

Would be great if he did tell them that.


30 posted on 12/08/2004 7:00:29 AM PST by marty60
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
I wouldn't consider it to be piling on if it were my son fighting in Iraq without armour. These soldiers need the best equipment, considering the fact that so many of them are risking life and limb.

Name an armed force in the history of the world that was better equipped than ours is currently. Sadly, too many people fail to realize that no matter how much armor is used and how many precautions are taken, we're going to lose soldiers. It's ugly, but that's war for you.
31 posted on 12/08/2004 7:02:26 AM PST by Antoninus (Santorum in '08)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

They joined knowing that they could be abused in this way by the military. They should not have joined if they planned to bitch and moan about how they were being treated. They probably didn't read the fine print. The military isn't doing anything it doesn't have the authority to do regarding choosing how to outfit the troops or how long to have them on the battlefield. People should think twice about getting money from the government. They shouldn't be surprised when the government wants something in return.


32 posted on 12/08/2004 7:02:56 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: repinwi

yes, I'm sure it made them soooo happy to hear a soldier complaining. War is hell, it never has been danger free. But, apparently this young man has bought into the Dumocrat line. (Kerry promised to PROTECT our troops) Just the very thought that the troops think that we are suppose to protect them not vice versa.


33 posted on 12/08/2004 7:03:58 AM PST by marty60
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To: anniegetyourgun

Am I the only one who sees a larger problem here? Rumsfeld gets asked some reasonable questions any soldier may ask. That's normal. No big deal. What is not normal is how CNN (or perhaps the AP) is trying to paint this meeting as something far worse than that. In the AP's mind, this is a rebellion.

The risk here is that normal events is now being completely mischaracterised by a morally corrupt media. This makes it difficult for people to talk to each other openly and frankly, for fear of some "scandal" being manufactured by the press for their own partisan purposes.


34 posted on 12/08/2004 7:05:20 AM PST by Trippin
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To: Antoninus

I neither ask for nor expect perfection. However, armor for vehicles is a no-brainer. No one denies its value - it isn't perfect, but it helps. Nor is it some high-tech wonder that requires years of research on cutting edge technology.

Here's an example. For years, F-111s had a known defect - the 'chute was too small (it had a capsule design) which led to significant back injuries a disproportionate amount of the time. The USAF spent years looking for a way to fix the problem but never found one - so those of us who flew F-111s did so at our own risk. That was OK by me. They tried to find a solution, they couldn't, so we accepted risk.

But this isn't the case here. There is a solution, and it isn't being used. So our troops are at needless risk.


35 posted on 12/08/2004 7:06:25 AM PST by Mr Rogers
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To: Antoninus

Frankly, the American military is so strong, it would trump any other military if only every second guy had a gun. However, I doubt one would try and use this to justify taking half the guns away from troops. One should be comparing what the military is to what it could reasonably be, not to whatever the other countries are doing.


36 posted on 12/08/2004 7:08:13 AM PST by crail (Better lives have been lost on the gallows than have ever been enshrined in the halls of palaces.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
They joined knowing that they could be abused in this way by the military.

How is "abuse," as you call it, acceptable? The soldiers uphold their end of the bargain by fulfilling their service, doesn't the military also have an obligation to prepare and supply that soldier for their service?

It was Rumsfeld who wanted a small force in Iraq. He should have to answer to all these reservists who he put in this situation.
37 posted on 12/08/2004 7:09:44 AM PST by Egregious Philbin
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To: Drennan Whyte

It makes me proud to be an American when a soldier can ask these kinds of questions to the SecDef. It took a lot of guts.


38 posted on 12/08/2004 7:09:55 AM PST by DragonflyX
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To: marty60
"Just the very thought that the troops think that we are suppose to protect them not vice versa."

I'm hoping you were being sarcastic. You're correct war is hell but we also have a discipline in the military called Force Protection and we (I'm retired now) take it very seriously.

39 posted on 12/08/2004 7:13:06 AM PST by blaquebyrd
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To: steplock
" my reference in this case to the USAF is due to the OFFICIAL view of the USAF that war is NOT to close in and destroy your enemy "

Of all the ignorant statements on this thread, this one wins that prize. And that is quite an accomplishment. The OFFICIAL view of the USAF is to kill the enemy as effectively as possible. Which it is doing in very large numbers, most recently in Fallujah.

As far as better armor for our troops...for some reason keyboard commandos think they care more for the men on the ground in Iraq than the military commanders charged to lead them. For some reason, keyboard commandos think the architects of the most effective combined arms warfare in history witnessed over the last 3 years in Afghanistan and Iraq, aren't also working on the best solutions to keep our men as protected as possible in a combat zone. The trite statement "our troops deserve better" sounds nice, but assumes something that could be done, isn't being done. That kind of sentiment is just as ignorant as that expressed by fat-assed liberals when they say "everyone should have access to free healthcare". Sounds great. Means nothing.

40 posted on 12/08/2004 7:14:13 AM PST by Rokke
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