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Where Are They Now? (Noonan looks ahead to Hillary's 2008 run)
Opinion Journal ^ | 12-9-04 | Peggy Noonan

Posted on 12/08/2004 10:02:55 PM PST by bellevuesbest

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How is Mrs. Clinton positioning herself in terms of the issues?

She is taking care of her liberal base while cherry-picking key issues on which she can get to the right of the Republican party. This is most astute and quite effective. For the liberals she produces a steady stream of base-friendly efforts (Special Committee on the Aging, education funding, help for the emotionally disturbed, extended unemployment insurance) and classic pork barrel. To get to the right of the president she talks homeland security and immigration. On homeland security she fights for increased funding, better controls at U.S. ports, tightened security for nuclear power plants and chemical plants. She issues warnings about the use of weapons of mass destruction on American soil. She is a member of the Armed Services Committee and likes to talk about military reform. On immigration she has begun talking tough on border security, accusing the administration of not spending enough, employing enough people, using the best technology. She recently called herself "adamantly against illegal immigrants," by which she no doubt meant illegal immigration, and has been inching toward support for a national ID card.

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Scary stuff!

Best line: "When she speaks in a large hall she shouts and it is shrill; she sounds like some boomer wife from hell who's unpacking the grocery bags and telling you that you forgot not just the mayo but the mustard.

1 posted on 12/08/2004 10:02:56 PM PST by bellevuesbest
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To: bellevuesbest

You know what's really scary? Not that she's going to position herself more to the right. But that she's counting on a 3rd party candidate coming along, splitting us just like it did for her husband. If people don't start thinking clearly here, about what's best for the country, and not about positions on meaningless, unchangeable social issues, it WILL happen too.


2 posted on 12/08/2004 10:05:47 PM PST by 302damnfast
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To: bellevuesbest

This is an EXCELLENT article, good on ya for posting it. That line was good and true, but my fave was this one:

"She does not intend to go down in flames as a leftist when she runs for president. This will take guile. She has guile."

LOL, Peggy's in rare form here, nice to see her get away from the sentimental tone. Hillary! needs to be taken down, she must never rule us all.


3 posted on 12/08/2004 10:06:18 PM PST by jocon307 (Jihad is world wide. Jihad is serious business. We ignore global jihad at our peril.)
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To: bellevuesbest

Classic Book from the '60s:

"You Can Trust The Communists--to be Communists"

Part of their whole strategy is posing as moderates, peaceniks etc. Kerry and Hitlery are two of a kind in this stealthy evil effort.


4 posted on 12/08/2004 10:06:49 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (FREE people needn't apply to a Government of/by/for the People for a gun (PERSONAL PROPERTY) permit!)
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To: 302damnfast

You mean someone like the fire plug with a bad haircut?


5 posted on 12/08/2004 10:09:24 PM PST by bellevuesbest
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To: bellevuesbest

LOL...ya someone like that, but from the 'conservative' party instead of whatever the heck Perot was doing...


6 posted on 12/08/2004 10:12:31 PM PST by 302damnfast
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To: bellevuesbest

If "adamantly against illegal immigrants" meant deportation en masse then I'd probably vote for that. Alas, I'm sure it's just empty rhetoric..


7 posted on 12/08/2004 10:17:11 PM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: bellevuesbest
"Best line: "When she speaks in a large hall she shouts and it is shrill; she sounds like some boomer wife from hell who's unpacking the grocery bags and telling you that you forgot not just the mayo but the mustard."

But what about the Mayostard and Mustmayostardayonaise?

8 posted on 12/08/2004 10:18:13 PM PST by Oblongata
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To: 302damnfast

You have made a point that is so important, and sadly so true. Keeping our eyes on the big picture is so important, and not on one issue, or two that are our personal favorites. This is what scares me about the Republican party. Hillary is evil, and we better focus on that.


9 posted on 12/08/2004 10:20:39 PM PST by ladyinred (Congratulations President Bush! Four more years!)
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To: AntiGuv
I think Hillary has a real shot at winning in '08. She has a lot of baggage, but time heals, she won't be running against a charismatic incumbent (W), she has 4 years to remake herself and the clincher would be a strong stance against illegal immigration.

It's also possible that she would not campaign early, but instead engineer a draft at the convention, which would give her just a few months exposure on the campaign trail.

10 posted on 12/08/2004 10:23:38 PM PST by umgud (Donate monthly, don't be a Freeploader)
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To: Blurblogger
Now I know many of us have dumped on Chelsea around here.

But it would be great if Chelsea came out as a Republican.

Talk about making Hillary all frog warty.


11 posted on 12/08/2004 10:26:41 PM PST by smoothsailing (Eagles Up !!)
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To: bellevuesbest
In this she is like John Kerry, who could not disavow his youthful, radical statements about Vietnam. Why has she not disavowed, and why can't she?

Kerry could not or would not disavow anything except in the most wishy-washy way, the mainstream press never properly challenged him so he largely ignored it - and got a free pass for the most part. Hillary would likely get the same kid gloves treatment barring a radical move of MSM to unbiased reporting. Then again, maybe MSM as we know it today will either no longer exist or be fragmented so who knows the future coverage ? Sounds great except who or what will pull all the arguments / positions together and present a balanced view of the campaigns to the majority of the voting public who won't be following it all day to day ?

12 posted on 12/08/2004 10:31:06 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: smoothsailing

"it would be great if Chelsea came out as a Republican.

Talk about making Hillary all frog warty."


Hillary is a unique type of witch in that her warts are ingrown and invisible without a FReeper Decoder Ring. Picture of Dorian Gray thang, y'know?


13 posted on 12/08/2004 10:32:38 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (FREE people needn't apply to a Government of/by/for the People for a gun (PERSONAL PROPERTY) permit!)
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To: bellevuesbest

bttt


14 posted on 12/08/2004 10:35:07 PM PST by PowerPro (DOUBLE W - He's STILL the one. Now don't that feel GOOD????)
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To: bellevuesbest
"She is taking care of her liberal base ......."

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15 posted on 12/08/2004 10:38:41 PM PST by Tuba Guy
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To: bellevuesbest
There will only be one issue in the Democrat Presidential candidate selection process: "Who can best prevent the Republicans from winning the White House again."

Ideology will be irrelevant. The Democrats would vote for David Duke if he could convince them he was the only one who could stop the Republican candidate.

Bush won this year ONLY because he increased his Hispanic vote from 35% to 45%. Democrat voters will be easily convinced that the ONLY way to stop the Republican is to take back the Hispanic vote. They will vote for the candidate best able to attract the Hispanic vote. Who's that you ask? Bill Richardson of course.

Hispanics are Hillary's one weak spot. She can't argue that she can get as many Hispanic votes as Richardson so she is starting her anti-Richardson campaign now by trying to turn Democrats against his positions on immigration.

16 posted on 12/08/2004 10:42:14 PM PST by bayourod (Bush said. "Let's see if I can say it as plainly as I can: I am for the intelligence bill.")
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To: 302damnfast
I agree with you 100%. Ever since it came out that Perot and Clinton are very good friends and were before 1992 I've suspected we were duped. He knew he couldn't win in a straight-on race against Bush 41.

I fully expect the same attack in 08. If all of us don't get our heads in the right place we'll end up with Hillary as President and nothing, nothing, nothing and no one will be worse than that.

Whoever wins the primary for the Republican party in 08 had better get the support of every living, breathing, Republican w/o grousing because the other choice is not pretty.

17 posted on 12/08/2004 10:45:15 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: bayourod

You are so right.

ON the other hand...as I see her candidacy now, I keep seeing Stephen King's "The Dead Zone", as Johnny tries to decide what to do about Senator Greg Stillson...

...not that I am advocating anything...rather I fear the same kind of spine-chilling future...


18 posted on 12/08/2004 10:45:56 PM PST by Keith (NOW, MORE THAN EVER....IT'S ABOUT THE JUDGES!)
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To: bayourod
Bush won this year ONLY because he increased his Hispanic vote from 35% to 45%.

LOL Sure, and every other variable is static.

There are probably half a dozen groups that claim they alone were responsible for delivering the White House to President Bush. Each of them were necessary for victory.


Democrat voters will be easily convinced that the ONLY way to stop the Republican is to take back the Hispanic vote. They will vote for the candidate best able to attract the Hispanic vote. Who's that you ask? Bill Richardson of course.

Hispanics are Hillary's one weak spot

You should get out more. Hillary will paint the floor with Richardson if he gets in her way. I could see her tabbing him for VP, though.

19 posted on 12/08/2004 10:54:55 PM PST by Fatalis
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To: bellevuesbest
Who's on the Republican bench? Asks (one of my very favorite pundits) Ms. Noonan. She follows her rhetorical question with a rich list of Republican possibles. One of which with I respectfully, but vigorously, disagree. John McCain.

McCain will be a Republican primary candidate, certainly. And, just as certainly, he will lose in grand fashion. Even with all the media approval he is so obviously courting.

What does this have to do with Hillary? Hillary knows that she might well win with the clandestine help of this well-known miltary hero and alleged conservative. So, I predict that Hillary will either

(1)secretly sponsor McCain's 3rd party candidacy, or

(2)offer the Dem veep candidacy to McCain (which he'd "reluctantly" accept).

Either way, I predict that McCain will be running against the Republican candidate, and will be assisting Hillary.

(This is a copy of my response on an identical thread)

20 posted on 12/08/2004 10:59:18 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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