Pornography Is Anything But A Victimless Crime

Concerned Women For America ^ | Dec. 8, 2004 | Cheri Pierson Yecke

[Pyro7480]

I think this is kind of like a gun study. Showing kids are more violent with guns than not. I"d like to see that same stat for the gun kids. Know what i mean?

Yeah, it's true that most people who look at porn don't become psycho. However, that doesn't mean that it doesn't have societal effects. The contraceptive mentality, adultery, divorce, and other societal ills are being aided by the effect of pornography on people's relationships.

[TChris]

...saying "EVERY" does nothing but weaken your case

You're correct in that regard. Different people, for whatever reasons, are more or less susceptible to pornography addiction, just as some are more prone to alcoholism than others.

However, repeated, consistent exposure to pornography does have real, negative consequences, particularly for male/female relationships (e.g. marriage). Psychological studies have proven as much.

[Pyro7480]

See posts #19 and #21.

[mike182d]

Reefer Madness covered it's "addiction" the same way. Over the top and around the bend. Porn is a big problem -- for damn sure. But it ain't the gate to murder and torture.

I beg to differ. Everything we are and everything we'll ever experience in the world is defined by our sexuality - who I am as a man or woman. Destroy our understanding of human sexuality and pervert it and you've just destroyed the human person.

[NJ_gent]

"I defy anyone to prove that the founding fathers intended for the US Constitution to protect the production and sale of pornography."

• Amendment IX: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
  
  
• Amendment X: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

[Chad Fairbanks]

I defy anyone to prove that the founding fathers intended for the US Constitution to protect the production and sale of pornography. Such an idea is bovine excrement.

I don't think they addressed the issue specifically, but I'm pretty sure that the Founding Fathers probably would have had a few choice words for governmental enforcement of moral views.

I'm not saying I agree with Pornography, but what it boils down to is I don't believe we can enforce laws banning it, but it IS our responsibility to point out what's wrong with it, and hope people listen.

[AdamSelene235]

I defy anyone to prove that the founding fathers intended for the US Constitution to protect the production and sale of pornography.

Well, they certainly didn't intend the Constitution to prevent them from cheating on their wives (Hamilton) or banging their slaves (Jefferson).

[Innisfree]

The Declaration of Degradation. Our founders fought to protect our God-given rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of smut. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are weak, base, self-indulgent and vile.

[Pyro7480]

In such a case, my problem is not that the person is anti-pornography, but that they are seeking to increase state power at the expense of personal freedom.

I have a comparison to make in this instance. I think almost all FReepers are concerned with the threat of Islam to our civilization, and are willing to empower our government to defend us against that threat. However, sexual permissiveness in all of its manifestations also threatens our civilization, but the personal freedom argument always seems to "shut people up" on this.

[bvw]

Go to the local County Courthouse. Chat with a DA, and assistant DA, a Baliff, a Judge. Ask them what they think causes most murders -- a list of the things. If one of them even mentions porn -- without you first clueing them -- I'd be surprised.

[AdamSelene235]

Everything we are and everything we'll ever experience in the world is defined by our sexuality -

I just bought Coke from the vending machine. There was no sex involved.

What do I win?

[HenryLeeII]

This article is so bogus. Look at this claim: "Victoria's Secret is well known for its racy, soft-porn 'fashion show' where voluptuous young models strut the runways in revealing lingerie."

Now, anyone who's ever seen one of their models knows that they all look like emaciated malnourished heroin addicts. There is not one "voluptuous" feature about them, except maybe their botox-laden lips.

[Modernman]

The last Victoria's Secret "fashion show" aired on network television November 19, 2003. Dru was abducted three days later. Could it be that Alfonso Rodriguez, a convicted sex offender, watched the show and was propelled into Dr. Cline's fourth stage of sexual deviance? This is a question his judge and jury may consider.

I see. It wasn't his fault, Victoria's Secret made him do it. Rodriguez is therefore not responsible for his actions and should be set free.

[dascallie]

New evidence shows porns kicks off a chemical addition (pleasure center in the brain, like heroin)linked to behaviorial changes...antisocial, addictive behavior.

I'll look for the news item again.

[Chad Fairbanks]

I have a comparison to make in this instance. I think almost all FReepers are concerned with the threat of Islam to our civilization, and are willing to empower our government to defend us against that threat. However, sexual permissiveness in all of its manifestations also threatens our civilization, but the personal freedom argument always seems to "shut people up" on this.

Ok, tell ya what - the day this country goes against one of the very ideals behind it's foundings, and bans Islam, I'll agree to a federally-mandated ban on Pornography. How's that?

[Modernman]

There is actually a support group, fashioned along the lines of AA, called Sexaholics Anonymous.

Great idea. Put a bunch of sex addicts into a room together.

[NJ_gent]

"Psychological studies have proven as much."

While some other studies have shown the opposite to be true. Some studies also show that children who were molested 'willingly' showed no negative effects later in life. Are we to accept that all these studies are accurate? Or just the ones which support your conclusion?

In other words, psychology isn't an exact science, and doing case studies are even less exact. Combine the two and you may as well be using a dart board to reach conclusions. Trust your shrink when he's talking to you, but not when he's selling a book or publishing a study.

[cjshapi]

Ping

[Modernman]

True. There are a lot of "conservatives" here who think "F*ck Pigs 10" is "let freedom ring".

In a free society, people are free to do things you find disgusting, so long as they do not harm others.

[Pyro7480]

The same scoffing could be directed at alcoholics, who often display anti-social behavior. The groups, whether SA or AA are moderated, and anyone who isn't their for support and help are kicked out. It's sad to do that, but until you recognized that you have a problem, you cannot be helped.