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To: skip_intro
"Guess it's time to let my subscription go."

Nah, they're good guys. They are just wrong on this one issue.

And, their heart is in the right place; we are a country of immigrants, and we do need the labor. We just need full control of every human we choose to allow in.

Plus, you can make a lot of money reading the WSJ. Just ask Hillary! Seriously, though, Jonathan Clemens "Getting Going" column is worth 100X the subscription price.

I recommend you keep your subscription, and differ on this with them.

10 posted on 12/10/2004 2:29:42 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Democrat Obstructionists will be Daschled!)
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To: Brad Cloven
we are a country of immigrants, and we do need the labor

Wrong on both counts.

17 posted on 12/10/2004 4:42:39 PM PST by Regulator
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To: Brad Cloven
Nah, they're good guys. They are just wrong on this one issue.

This "one issue" happens to be the single most important issue of our day: whether or not we can control our demographics will be the single most important factor in determining whether our country will retain its historic character and identity.

If WSJ is not committed to conserving America, they cannot be considered conservative by any stretch.

And, their heart is in the right place; we are a country of immigrants, and we do need the labor.

Wrong and wrong.

I'm not an immigrant. Yes, my ancestors were immigrants, but that is true of anyone living anywhere. To suggest that we must continue taking in immigrants because our heritage is one of immigration is a fallacy non-sequitur.

And the only reason we "need" labor is because corporations are too greedy to pay people enough to come to work. They are more than happy to bring in destitute foreigners to fill the slums of our cities, knowing that these people won't demand better wages and conditions.

22 posted on 12/10/2004 4:52:34 PM PST by MegaSilver
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To: Brad Cloven
Nah, they're good guys. They are just wrong on this one issue. And, their heart is in the right place; we are a country of immigrants, and we do need the labor.

What the hell does that mean? This talking point is so bandied about no one ever thinks it through. For shame. Why exact does who need "the labor"? Here in California the Contruction industry, agriculture etc may be able to be paying $3 an hour to skirt the nation's minimum wage and tax laws, but when you account for the average we pay in assistence programs to their families that can't survive on $3, free medical care at emergency rooms, and other variables like extreme housing costs of such a surge in population, every illegal averages costing us $20 an hour as a society to pay them! Sure the employer is making big profit margins, but it is a tremendous burden on everyone else.

The Wall Street Journal's motto is to Privative Profits and Socialize Costs. What more do you expect from "conservatives" who's only principles and convictions are economic? They are only concerned with their bottom lines, so selling us out is just the cost of doing business, its just life in the big city.

35 posted on 12/11/2004 11:11:40 AM PST by PeoplesRep_of_LA (I can't believe I voted for this Cheap Labor Activist)
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