Companies that ban guns put on defensive

yahoo.com ^ | Fri Dec 10,11:50 | Stephanie Armour

[goldstategop]

2nd Amendment Flyover Country Democrats Bump!

Democratic Oklahoma state Sen. Frank Shurden says. "I am in favor of letting a licensed permit holder carry the gun in the workplace. There's no reason to fear law-abiding citizens."

[goodnesswins]

My husband has a CC....but his employer does NOT allow guns onsite, including the parking lot.....pisses ME (and him) off. Just like Schools cannot have guns onsite. Sitting ducks!

[Boundless]

> "It's not fair,"

There is no "fair". The employee knew the score, and
(wisely) decided that his life was worth more than the job.

Employers are going to listen to their lawyers (and
lawyers always advise that "no" is the safest thing
to say). Another problem is that "yes" also involves
having a detailed policy, which takes time, care and
effort.

Laws taking the matter out of employer hands will help,
but what the employers really need is some assurance that
they are at lower legal risk if they permit weapons than
if they pretend to prohibit.

What it might take is some employer getting sued by the
survivors of a deceased employee who was prevented from
defending themselves.

A "No Firearms" sign at the front gate is really a sign
saying:
"Armed felons and felons-to-be welcome.
Free-fire zone inside."

[26lemoncharlie]

In this New and Improved Modern World that the Socialist have developed for us, through the Feminization of our society and the controlloling our thoughts through Hate Crime legislation, has become a very dangerous place to live.

If the armed Pizza Delivery Person doesn't like his tip, it would probably be in his best interest to condider he just might be facing a 12 guage Shotgun!

[1066AD]

Hmmm.. does a company parking lot qualify as private property (assuming it's owned by the company and not available to the general public) ? If so, I'd say the company can specify no firearms on their property if they so desire. I worked once for one corp that had a "no camper" policy due to certain night shift activities LOL.

[Spirited]

Thank you for the post. I do not have to buy Pizza Hut, nor do the other families to whom I tell this.

It is absurd to think that your life is to be given for the sake of their lack of principle.

I can learn to like something else better.

[FreedomCalls]

but his employer does NOT allow guns onsite

They even ban guns from policemen when they are on the property? Or do you mean something else -- that they only ban certain people from carrying guns?

[Jaysun]

"What if a plumber or truck delivery guy or Coke machine guy has a gun with them?" says Howard Korn, campus police chief. "The law is still being worked through. There's been a lot of discussion about this."

You can't make this argument without having it spill over into "what if (fill in the blank) has a gun?" We have the right to bare arms so it stands to reason that lots of people do just that. The fanatical "what if" game leads ends with there being only one acceptable place to have a firearm - at home. I suppose we can launch an ad campaign urging criminals to make more house calls instead of recklessly committing crime wherever they may be when the mood strikes them.

Employees whose company has a policy against having firearms on the premises can easily get around that by simply leaving their guns in the glove boxes. They only risk being caught if they ever have to use the weapon to defend themselves in which case the point is made moot.

[FreedomCalls]

I'd say the company can specify no firearms on their property if they so desire.

But how can they do so and not be discriminatory if the ban applies to CCW holders but not to policemen both of whom are equally licensed by the state to carry weapons?

[goldstategop]

I bet its the former. Companies can ban guns on their property but they better keep their nose out of workers' cars.

[Pelayo]

"For legislation to permit employees and contractors to bring loaded firearms to work in vehicles is blatantly irresponsible."

It's philosophically irrisponsable to take the other line. One of the underline premises of human civilization is that humans are basically good, and can live peaceably with each other. Anti-gun laws on the other hand presuppose that humans are crazed animals who will kill each other unless properly restricted. If that supposition is true you shouldn't hire them anyway.

[Hank Rearden]

"Do you want your mail guy or delivery guy carrying a loaded gun when he comes to the door?" asks Patty Sullivan, a Pizza Hut spokeswoman. "What if he's not happy with his tip?"

Moron. She should be more concerned about customers opening fire on the delivery guy over their piece-of-s#$t pizzas.

And that delivery guy ought to be able to defend himself from the consequences of Patty's pizzas.

[goldstategop]

Exactly. One policy for the Elite and one for the Little Guy. I'm sick of it. Btw, Frank Shurden sounds like the kind of Democrat I could happily vote for President - such common sense in the other party is all too rare these days.

[goodnesswins]

No...they ban EMPLOYEES from having guns in their vehicles or in the buildings. I do NOT think they ban policemen from having guns ....LOL...although, I do not know what the security people carry, if anything. There have been many car thefts and actual cars stolen from their property, even WITH security.

[1066AD]

Going by memory but here in TX a business can post a specified sign specifying, in effect, "no firearms inside" which applies to CCW holders.

[Ragnar704]

But how can they do so and not be discriminatory if the ban applies to CCW holders but not to policemen both of whom are equally licensed by the state to carry weapons?

My question, too. Isn't a person with a concealed weapons permit allowed to carry a firearm anywhere a police officer would?

For example, I'm pretty sure a person with a concealed weapons permit is allowed to take his/her gun into a courtroom -- right through the metal detectors and other security screening.

[Ragnar704]

I'd better correct my previous post.....

At our local courtroom at least, CCW's are NOT allowed to take their weapons in.

[FreedomCalls]

No...they ban EMPLOYEES from having guns in their vehicles or in the buildings.

So I as a non-employee CCW-holder could enter their property?

[two23]

In my state, the holder of a CC Permit is not allowed to carry at any public gatherings (such as sports events etc), no public places where alcohol is served, and in no state or federal buildings etc.
Concealed Carry permits do have limitations on where the permit holder can carry.