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To: Kolokotronis
In the meantime, Mohammaden mobs are still sacking Orthodox Churches in Kosovo while NATO troops stand by because of the rules of engagement

A little context helps. Besides the ethnic cleansing & atrocities committed by the Serbs in the 98-99 war, over 200 mosques were destroyed. When the Albs returned to their burnt out villages in the summer of 99, they were somewhat irritated and went out to get some back. That's when most of the Serbs were driven out of Kosovo and when the Serb Orthodox churches were attacked. The operative term is Serb, not Orthodox. And the attackers are best described as Albanians, most probably to include Albanian irreligious and Christians, not "Mohammedan". Note that the Albanian Christian Churches were not touched.

As for rules of engagement in the 2004 riots, the KFOR troops had all the authority they needed to protect civilian lives and property. They were surprised and either didn't react very quickly in some cases, or in others apparently (Germans in particular) did not want to put their troops at risk to confront the rioters. BTW, the killed included 11 Albanians and 8 Serbs--it was not all one-sided. At least one of the Serbs and three of the Albanians were killed by KFOR.

as you must know, that Al Queda or its sympathizers were active during the war over there in relatively large numbers.

Actually, I do know something about this and reports of Al Qaeda were never confirmed and participation by outside jihadists was greatly exaggerated. The only known Al qaeda contact was bin Laden's emissary Claud Kader who the KLA threw out, refusing to accept even the weapons he brought. Kader is now in jail in Albania. If you trace the Al qaeda references, they always lead to Serb or anonymous sources. If you know anything about Balkans history, you should know that the Serb-Albanian conflict has been going on long before al qaeda existed or bin laden was even born.

31 posted on 12/11/2004 6:35:14 AM PST by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf; kosta50
"A little context helps. Besides the ethnic cleansing & atrocities committed by the Serbs in the 98-99 war, over 200 mosques were destroyed. When the Albs returned to their burnt out villages in the summer of 99, they were somewhat irritated and went out to get some back. That's when most of the Serbs were driven out of Kosovo and when the Serb Orthodox churches were attacked. The operative term is Serb, not Orthodox. And the attackers are best described as Albanians, most probably to include Albanian irreligious and Christians, not "Mohammedan"."

And then:

"If you know anything about Balkans history, you should know that the Serb-Albanian conflict has been going on long before al qaeda existed or bin laden was even born."

I almost don't know where to start. You say 200 mosques were destroyed, I am assuming in Kosovo. We certainly have all learned what the Mohammedans use their mosques for, haven't we. In my opinion its a damn shame every last one of those hives wasn't destroyed. As for the Mohammedans being upset and wanting revenge, I don't doubt that at all. As you say its been going on for centuries. Its just that this time the Western Europeans and the Clintonistas decided we'd step in and tip the scales in favor of our dear Mohammedan brethren and against the Serbs, who have been our allies for the past 140 odd years. Personally, I think we should have stayed out of it entirely. As for knowing anything about the history of the Balkans, I suspect I know a damn site more than most on these threads. My family is from the Balkans. We fought for centuries against the Turks and their oppression of the Christian People and the Orthodox Church, three times along side the Serbs in the last century alone. The more recent, communist history of Yugoslavia, with Tito's creation of a mini Albanian state in Kosovo in order to bury Serbian national pride added fuel to a long burning fire there. As for destroying "Serb" Churches, that's true. Only Orthodox Churches were destroyed because these Mohammedans had enough sense not to attack the Churches of their allies, Western Christians. Islam's war on Christian Orthodoxy, "Serb" or otherwise has extended from Egypt through the Middle East ,Turkey and Caucasia and right up to the Croatian border. It continues to this day in our great "ally" Turkey. What have the Turks, the Egyptians, the Syrians, the Iraqis and the denizens of the Gulf States got against Orthodoxy? The common denominator in all of this is Islam and in the Balkans, the West chose the wrong side as I suspect we are beginning to learn.

KFOR was "surprised"? You see this points out one of the main problems with our involvement in the Balkans recently and that of the Western Europeans for the past 100 years of so since the initial collapse of the Ottoman Empire. The Western Christian Powers of the 1900-1918 era had no understanding at all of what was going on in the Balkans. The secular, oh so sophisticated Western Europeans of today and the Clintonistas of the '90s and the neo-cons of the present administration have even less understanding than the Hapsburgs of 1904. Anyone with any understanding of the history of the Balkans could have predicted what was going to happen in Kosovo. If KFOR was "surprised", then KFOR is lead by delusional fools.
45 posted on 12/11/2004 7:34:53 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Nuke the Cube!)
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