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Robot lets down fans of telescope [Bye-bye Hubble...]
Columbia Daily Tribune ^ | December 12, 2004 | AP

Posted on 12/12/2004 7:52:14 AM PST by snopercod

Rescue missions expensive, ineffective.

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. (AP) - Trying to save the famed Hubble Space Telescope with a robot would cost $2 billion with just a 50-50 chance of success, an aerospace research group is advising NASA in the coming days.

And that thumbs-down is likely to be preceded by another potentially negative finding from the National Academy of Sciences, due to report on Wednesday.

Both reports could spell doom for the popular, aging Hubble, whose fans have heavily lobbied to get it repaired to prolong its life and continue its stream of stunning and revealing pictures from space.

NASA requested the reviews of the National Academy and the Aerospace Corp., a California-based not-for-profit research group, in hopes that a robotic repair could be made.

An Aerospace Corp. summary provided to the academy estimates a robotic Hubble mission would cost $2 billion and would take at least five years to be ready for launch. By then there would be a less than 40 percent chance Hubble still would be functioning.

Less than three years would be needed to launch a shuttle mission to Hubble, for no more money and with the usual medium risk of mission success, the company said.

The full 100-page report is expected to come out this week or next, a company spokesman said.

In an interim report over the summer, a National Academy panel of scientists, aerospace experts and astronauts who have worked in orbit with Hubble urged NASA to keep its options open for one last service call by space shuttle astronauts. The panel did not rule out a robotic mission but noted its complexity and the technical challenges.

But NASA Administrator Sean O’Keefe has stuck by his guns that regardless of what the academy or the Aerospace Corp. says, no people will risk their lives to fix Hubble.

On Wednesday, the National Academy of Sciences will issue its final report on the subject.

"These reviews have tended to reinforce NASA’s sense that although" a robotic mission "is feasible, it will be extremely challenging and will require very disciplined management," the space agency said in a statement Tuesday.

NASA will spend the coming year evaluating the robotic rescue plan and decide next summer whether to proceed. If nothing else, the space agency promises to launch a deorbit tug to guide Hubble down over the ocean - and not over populated areas - well before it would tumble in on its own during the next decade.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hst; hubble; nasa; okeefe
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Comment #21 Removed by Moderator

To: snopercod

How much would it cost to send up smaller, more specialized telescopes on simple rockets?


22 posted on 12/12/2004 8:42:12 AM PST by mikegi
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To: Great Prophet Zarquon; OXENinFLA; KevinDavis
Yup. I've used this picture several times to illustrate to people how small their view of the universe really is. I find it incredibly hard to wrap my mind around the immense scale that the deep field shot represents, and I've considered it quite a lot.

I can't help but think that God has great plans for this universe. I hope we survive to participate.

25 posted on 12/12/2004 8:48:00 AM PST by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side...... We have cookies!)
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To: greasepaint

The current astronaut group,
should be replaced with Marines,
...
that would solve the 'timidity' issue.


26 posted on 12/12/2004 8:51:44 AM PST by greasepaint
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To: snopercod

The problem with the Hubble is that it has achieved iconic stature. Rather than being seen as a wonderful instrument that has achieved remarkable results, but is nearing the end of its useful life, it is viewed as an end in itself. It's as if John Harrison's first clock were kept alive for 200 years and prevented the adoption of atomic time standards.

We know that the optics on the Hubble never achieved their full potential, because of a manufacturing error and a managerial decision to shortcut testing. Why not put some of the money intended to keep Hubble alive into the next generation of space instruments? Maybe someday, a descendant of the space shuttle will retrieve Hubble and it can be placed in the Smithsonian, where it belongs.


27 posted on 12/12/2004 9:00:21 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS", Fake But Accurate, Experts Say)
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To: snopercod
Hey, folks, the Hubble Space Telescope is old and out of date. It was designed in the 70s (basically a re-purposed KH-11 spy satellite, pointing out instead of down and with different optics) and launched in 1990. It cost $1.5 billion to build AND launch.

Maybe, instead of spending another $2 billion on a less than likely rescue of this venerable old tool (and that's all it is, a tool) we should design and build a new one? Just maybe for less than $2 billion?

The only halfway reasonable justification I've heard for spending the $2 billion to rescue Hubble is that building the complex robot would give us a generalized capability that we will need anyway as we go on about making our presence off planet permanent. I support that, but not to rescue Hubble.

Now, how about they raise money from all of the sentimentalists to loft a simple booster up to attach to Hubble simply to raise it to a more stable orbit? It wouldn't save the science, but it would preserve the HST as an artifact for eventual display in some museum. It should be a lot less expensive than the rescue mission, but in exchange we get them to commit to a modern replacement.

Imagine what a newly designed "optical plus" spectrum instrument could be built to do? And they'd know to check the optics before they launched, this time.

And on top of that it's about time to take away the boondoggle of the Space Telescope Science Institute built in Maryland to buy Barbara Mikulski's vote so she could lard it with pork spending for the home folks.
28 posted on 12/12/2004 9:00:57 AM PST by Phsstpok (Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to reform - Mark Twain)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
"Maybe someday, a descendant of the space shuttle will retrieve Hubble and it can be placed in the Smithsonian, where it belongs."

It is going to burn up in the atmospere as its orbit deteriorates.

30 posted on 12/12/2004 9:23:49 AM PST by El Gran Salseron (My wife just won the "Inmate of the Month Award!" :-))
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To: El Gran Salseron

When is it predicted to de-orbit, if left alone? It's about 562 km in altitude, which is pretty high, but it won't stay up forever due to slight atmospheric drag and radiation pressure.


31 posted on 12/12/2004 9:31:07 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS", Fake But Accurate, Experts Say)
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To: Great Prophet Zarquon

High is relative to the atmosphere, which is the great eater of orbits. An orbit 250 km above the Moon would persist for thousands and thousands of years. Objects in low Earth orbit are affected by atmospheric drag and slow down a little bit on each revolution. Ol' 5398 ("RIGIDSPHERE 2") has been up there since 1971, and is currently 600 km in altitude.


34 posted on 12/12/2004 9:58:31 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS", Fake But Accurate, Experts Say)
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To: Phsstpok

The "super Hubble" project is already in progress.

http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/webb_ngst_030108.html


35 posted on 12/12/2004 10:04:47 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS", Fake But Accurate, Experts Say)
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To: Great Prophet Zarquon

I don't know how much it would cost to park it let's say at an L2 orbit but imagine the priceless exhibits and the space tourist value if we could someday have had the MIR, SKYLAB and Hubble to exhibit or just use for salvage purposes. My 2 cents...


36 posted on 12/12/2004 10:04:53 AM PST by FireTrack
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To: Great Prophet Zarquon
Correction. 22000 miles AROUND. Say, 7000 miles wide, if I recall my junior high geometry correctly.

More accurate would be 25,000 mi circumference and 8000 mi diameter.

37 posted on 12/12/2004 10:06:31 AM PST by Dan Evans
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To: FireTrack
I don't know how much it would cost to park it let's say at an L2 orbit

A lot. L1/L2/L3 (LaGrange points) are unstable orbits, only L4/L5 are stable, but they do not offer any advantage (and lots of disadvantages) over a conventional Low Earth Orbit.

Besides, the energy required to achieve an initial LaGrange point orbit would be very costly, and you'd need tons and tons of fuel to maintain the orbit.

38 posted on 12/12/2004 10:11:30 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS", Fake But Accurate, Experts Say)
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To: Great Prophet Zarquon

See my #35. The James Web Space Telescope is to Hubble as Pentium4 is to 8086.


39 posted on 12/12/2004 10:21:16 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS", Fake But Accurate, Experts Say)
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To: Great Prophet Zarquon

The Earth is not 22,000 miles wide. That number is closer to the circumference, which is 24,902 miles.

The diameter of the Earth is 7,926 miles.

http://www.lyberty.com/encyc/articles/earth.html


40 posted on 12/12/2004 10:40:43 AM PST by ScottM1968
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