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Airbus A380 blows £1bn ( ~$1.95 Billion) hole in budget
The Telegraph ^
| 14 Dec 2004
| Christopher Hope
Posted on 12/14/2004 5:51:53 AM PST by Nagilum
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It's ok, it's all european taxpayer money anyway, so why should they care if they are under budget or not. They take no risk by building as aggressively as they can. END THE SUBSIDIES!!
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posted on
12/14/2004 5:51:54 AM PST
by
Nagilum
To: Nagilum
This is where the beauty of government subsidies kicks in!
(sarcasm).
The US needs to old the line against the EU and Airbus.
To: Nagilum
Airbus, the commercial jet maker which is 20pc owned by BAE Systems Figures a critical piece of Airbus and they have to drag Boeing into it, when Airbus does good no mention however..
To: Nagilum
555 seat jet.
Northwest will probably redesign it for 1500 seats in coach.
Even at 555 seats, it should take half of your vacation for your luggage to come down the chute.
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posted on
12/14/2004 5:58:26 AM PST
by
N. Theknow
(Merry Christmas!)
To: Nagilum
Meanwhile the EU accuses the US of subsidizing Boeing because they build military aircraft as well as airliners.
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posted on
12/14/2004 5:58:31 AM PST
by
norton
To: norton
EU is just trying to distort the argument. They know they are guilty as hell. BUT, they also know they make an inferior product, and that the only reason Airbus sells as well as it does is because they discount their A/C HEAVILY in the face of the better Boeing product line. And, finally, they know that they would not be able to offer those discounts if it weren't for the subsidies afforded to airbus by the taxpayers.
I am torn because I do think Boeing needs competition to produce better aircraft, but I definitely think it should be fair competition, and Airbus is playing with a dirty deck of cards.
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posted on
12/14/2004 6:03:34 AM PST
by
Nagilum
To: Nagilum
The planned interior of the plane looks great (as they ALL do when the company is trying to sell it to the public, remember the piano bar in the upper deck of the 747?).
But I'm not sure I want to ride in a plane with the equivalent of a cruise ships manifest of people, all scrambling for their luggage at the carousel, once the plane lands!
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posted on
12/14/2004 6:05:13 AM PST
by
Mr. Jazzy
(Lets all see how many days Kerry shows up for his job in the Senate, NOW!!!)
To: Nagilum
Airbus, the commercial jet maker which is 20pc owned by BAE Systems, Correction:
Airbus, the "commercial" jet maker which is 20pc owned by BAE Systems,
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posted on
12/14/2004 6:08:12 AM PST
by
Paleo Conservative
(Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
To: Nagilum
Support Boeing's competition - buy a 717 today!
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posted on
12/14/2004 6:11:45 AM PST
by
norton
To: norton
Meanwhile the EU accuses the US of subsidizing Boeing because they build military aircraft as well as airliners.Weirdest argument I've heard in years, but that's the euroeunuchs for you.
What I want to know is... will this thing have a plastic tail too?
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posted on
12/14/2004 6:13:01 AM PST
by
Publius6961
(The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
To: N. Theknow
You fly Northwest often ?
To: Eric in the Ozarks
Not as much as I used to when I lived in Minneapolis and flew 5-7 times per week. My sales territory was all the states east of the Mississippi, Eastern Canada, Puerto Rico and England.
Kids used to call me Uncle Dad.
BTW - the folder that airlines used to use for holding your ticket and boarding pass - I wall papered my basement with them. Had some classics like Pan Am Flt 001 and 002.
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posted on
12/14/2004 6:24:47 AM PST
by
N. Theknow
(Merry Christmas!)
To: N. Theknow
555 seat jet.
Northwest will probably redesign it for 1500 seats in coach.============
NW Airbus translated into train travel.
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posted on
12/14/2004 6:25:50 AM PST
by
yankeedame
("Born with the gift of laughter & a sense that the world was mad.")
To: Nagilum
I think this is an issue of creative accounting. They bury more development expenses in order to avoid some sort of WTC subsidy issue.
To: longtermmemmory
you're probably right on that one - or they may just be trying to put more development cost in to A380 to try and dump it into "general research" that will facilitate the A350's design.
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posted on
12/14/2004 6:34:30 AM PST
by
Nagilum
To: Publius6961
"Meanwhile the EU accuses the US of subsidizing Boeing because they build military aircraft as well as airliners."
That's like the RATS demanding recounts until they get a result they want, like they are trying to do in Washington State.
When on earth did a company doing normal legitimate competitive business like Boeing does when Boeing builds military aircraft, become "subsidies"?
Its time for very harsh action to be taken against the French cheats at Airbus, by slapping massive tariffs on all Airbus planes.
Time to put these slime balls out of business.
To: Echo Talon
I don't think BAE refers to Boeing but rather British Aerospace. Boeing's stock ticker is BA.
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posted on
12/14/2004 6:39:57 AM PST
by
Hostage
To: Hostage
well if you look at acronym searcher it's either BAE Boeing Aerospace Engineering
BAE Brigade Aviation Element
BAE British Aerospace
To: N. Theknow
16 years in the Twin Cities and NWA controlled 85 percent of the gates. I don't know how many $ thousands they overcharged me...
To: Nagilum
Do you think the dollar fall against the Euro will make Boeing's pricing competitive to the extent customers will be interested?
Actually I would like to know the marketing issues that makes a customer choose Airbus over Boeing. Plane price? Maintenance agreements? Parts pricing? Financing?
I know here in Seattle in the past it was Union incompetence with meeting production schedules that did Boeing in.
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12/14/2004 6:43:55 AM PST
by
Hostage
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