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Christianity now "hate crime": the bible is "hate speech" subject to seizure
Wolrd Net Daily ^ | Dec. 14, 2004 | none given

Posted on 12/15/2004 3:14:56 AM PST by dzzrtrock

TESTING THE FAITH City will prosecute Christian protesters

A federal appeals court denied an emergency appeal to stop prosecution of 11 Philadelphia-area Christians who allege the District Attorney's office retaliated against them for exercising their constitutional rights at a homosexual event in which they were arrested and later charged with felonies...the group was "preaching God's Word" to a crowd of people attending the outdoor Philadelphia "OutFest" event and displaying banners with biblical messages....the eleven Christians were arrested and spent a night in jail.(they were charged with)3 felonies and 5 misdemeanors. The charges were criminal conspiracy, possession of instruments of crime (NOTE:Bibles), reckless endangerment of another person, ethnic intimidation, riot, failure to disperse, disorderly conduct and obstructing highways. (...a video) show(ed) the Philadelphia 11 cooperated with police and were continually harassed by the Pink Angels.None of the Pink Angels was cited or arrested. The ethnic intimidation charge stems from Pennsylvania's "hate crimes" law – to which the newest "victim" category of "sexual orientation" was recently added. (is there ANYBODY who didn't see this coming????) The protesters say a Philadelphia police officer told them that because they were on a public sidewalk they were permitted to move freely through the event. A few minutes later, however, they were arrested and removed. The Philadelphia 11 face a maximum penalty of 47 years each in jail.....(read more)

AGAIN I urge you to read the homo manifesto: http://rainbowallianceopenfaith.homestead.com/GayAgendaSwiftText.html

Michael Swift's dream is coming true right now, right here.

(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; Miscellaneous; Philosophy; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: bible; churchandstate; freespeech; gay; gayagenda; hatespeech; homosexual; homosexualagenda; michaelmarcavage; outfest; perversion; repentamerica; wrongforum
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1 posted on 12/15/2004 3:15:00 AM PST by dzzrtrock
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; BykrBayb; LakeLady; bridgemanusa; Darksheare; Dr Snide; faithincowboys; ..

ping


2 posted on 12/15/2004 3:19:06 AM PST by stockpirate (Check out my homepage and learn about sKerry and his Socialist friends.)
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To: dzzrtrock
The ethnic intimidation charge stems from Pennsylvania's "hate crimes" law – to which the newest "victim" category of "sexual orientation" was recently added.

Homosexuality is now an ethnicity?
Until Christians organize the in same way that anti-Christians and gays have this type of thing will continue. Until there are mass demonstrations of a hundred thousand Christians marching down Pennsylvania Avenue nothing will change.
3 posted on 12/15/2004 3:21:25 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: dzzrtrock

"We demand tolerance...no acceptance for all lifestyles and points of view! (Except for Christians of course)."


4 posted on 12/15/2004 3:23:47 AM PST by NavVet (“Benedict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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To: rogermellie; Slipperduke; pau1f0rd; flitton; Le Bouledogue Britannique; jjbrouwer; tjwmason; ...

PING!

What on earth! Well thats it. The US is a police state! Whatever happened to free speech!? My word how awful! You must all be cowering in your homes now, scared at what the future holds.


5 posted on 12/15/2004 3:23:56 AM PST by AngloSaxon (successful)
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To: dzzrtrock

So now the free exercise of religion (1st amendment right) is now a hate crime. The "City of Brotherly Love" now truly is the city of brotherly love. One brother to another brother.


6 posted on 12/15/2004 3:26:13 AM PST by MadAnthony1776
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To: R. Scott

THanks to the conservative Mennonites, Amish and other groups here in PA, we have a law which could have been prevented.

Did anybody VOTE for or against this "law"? I don't recall seeing it? Was this Arlin Spectre's idea?

God help us now because thought crimes are next. THey will hook us up to MRI's and see how we think about gays. Wonder if it registers pink or purple when we do.


7 posted on 12/15/2004 3:28:03 AM PST by Conservatrix ("He's a barf." --- Sophia T., Age 4, on John Sawed-Off Baldrick "I have a cunning plan" Kerry)
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To: dzzrtrock
People should click the Link to the World Net Daily article and then click and watch the video.

The Christians are respectful and courteous to the officers. A fat police chief with a red armband (how appropriate) saying "POLICE" harasses the Christians and threatens them. The homosexuals are the ones blocking the public sidewalk and intimidating people time and again. No action is taken against them.

This is one of the most outrageous things I have seen. All the Christians did was walk on the sidewalk, sing, and hold up signs. Welcome to Germany, 1934.


8 posted on 12/15/2004 3:30:04 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: dzzrtrock

Is Pennsylvania becoming a homosexual state?


9 posted on 12/15/2004 3:32:25 AM PST by ThanhPhero ( Nguoi di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: ThanhPhero
Is Pennsylvania becoming a homosexual state?

And it is powerless to change -- it appears to have been born that way.

10 posted on 12/15/2004 3:35:34 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: ThanhPhero

No, but Philly is corrupt beyond recognition. Kerry won Pennsylvania by a slimmer margain than Bush won Ohio, yet the media immediately gave Kerry the win while trying to dispute Ohio. At the time, it was known that there were 120% of votes being cast in parts of Camden--throwing the election for Kerry.


11 posted on 12/15/2004 3:36:28 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Howlin; Ed_NYC; MonroeDNA; widgysoft; Springman; Timesink; dubyaismypresident; Grani; coug97; ...

Just damn.

If you want on the list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...

12 posted on 12/15/2004 3:39:32 AM PST by mhking
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To: dzzrtrock
My guess is that if it were queers that were arrested this thing would already be over, with the charges dropped.

WTFO?
13 posted on 12/15/2004 3:40:00 AM PST by stm
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To: dzzrtrock
For I will give you words and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict. You will be betrayed even by parents, brothers, relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death. All men will hate you because of me. But not a hair of your head will perish. By standing firm you will gain life.

Luke 21 15-19

14 posted on 12/15/2004 3:42:03 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: stm
You should see the Philadelphia Gay News try to spin this story.

According to the Pink Shirt's news rag, the whistle blowing, sign pushing gay thugs were there to "diffuse a riot." Yup.

15 posted on 12/15/2004 3:44:03 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: dzzrtrock



Socialist equality: Less freedom to those out of favour, more freedom to those according to their specialty


16 posted on 12/15/2004 3:46:43 AM PST by MrBambaLaMamba (Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
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To: SkyPilot

This makes my heart hurt. It's been slowly building to this type of situation for years. If they're allowed to get away with this and set it as a precedence it'll be hard to stop. It's gone too far now as First Amendment Rights have been violated and those involved are being persecuted and discriminated against. And the activist courts are the problem.

I do fear this case marks the beginning of the end of our Rights. They say no one can take away those Rights, you must give them up. Well, I'm not giving anything up! I will gladly stand up and defend them, today!


17 posted on 12/15/2004 3:48:17 AM PST by EBH (A very proud Aunt of a US Marine in Fallujah)
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To: dzzrtrock

Did the same thing at Soddom and Gomorrah

Militant Homosexuals demanding to rape the Angels among them.


18 posted on 12/15/2004 3:50:38 AM PST by Samurai_Jack (ride out and meet the evil!)
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To: stockpirate

Ping.


19 posted on 12/15/2004 3:58:04 AM PST by OriginalChristian (Christians are being PERSECUTED. It has only just begun...)
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To: dzzrtrock

The thing I found very interesting and disturbing on the Rainbow Alliance's website was their twisted, out-of- context take on the Bible in an effort to prove that homosexuality isn't a sin.


20 posted on 12/15/2004 3:58:53 AM PST by expat-in-the-uk ("People tend to forget their duties but remember their rights"-Indira Ghandi)
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To: R. Scott

Well here it is, The Hate Crime Speech law that is supressing our Freedom of Speech and Self Expression. This is what Hillary, Conyers, Jessie Jackson, SHiela Jackson Lee, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy and their cronies of the New PROGRESSIVE PARTY wants, the questions is are we going to allow them to have it? I say NO!! It is time to wake up and <arch on Washington and the Congress and demand that these so called Hate Crimes Laws are removed!!

The Progressive Caucus:
http://bernie.house.gov/pc/

These are the Marxist Socialist in our Government, undermining the Constitution and slowly replacing it with Socialist Laws.


22 posted on 12/15/2004 4:05:49 AM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Defending America)
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To: Conservatrix
Did anybody VOTE for or against this "law"? I don't recall seeing it?

Some things often slip through if the legislature doesn’t think it will be popular with The People.
24 posted on 12/15/2004 4:06:28 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: AngloSaxon
What on earth! Well thats it. The US is a police state! Whatever happened to free speech!? My word how awful! You must all be cowering in your homes now, scared at what the future holds.

Next they'll be banning reading the Bible or praying in schools. Perhaps even having lawsuits to remove depictions of the Cross from governmental seals. If it goes far enough unchecked schools won't be able to stage Nativity plays for Christmas (b.t.w. my 4 year-old cousin is playing Mary in her class's one).

You Americans should all run away to a free country like Merry England where religion really is free.
25 posted on 12/15/2004 4:06:50 AM PST by tjwmason ("For he himself has said it, And it's greatly to his credit, That he is an Englishman!")
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To: expat-in-the-uk
The Gay Agenda is all about legally justifying their sin whether it be misinterpretation of the bible, changing laws to be considered normal by society, or getting homosexuality portrayed as normal behavior in the media.
26 posted on 12/15/2004 4:09:10 AM PST by Rockitz (After all these years, it's still rocket science.)
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To: dzzrtrock

This why thinking that only high level Dums are dangerous, is in itself dangerous. The fight for a city council of state Rep is even more important. this article should prove the point.


27 posted on 12/15/2004 4:14:48 AM PST by marty60
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To: R. Scott

Christians better wake up and smell the coffee. These are the first shots in the coming persecution of Christians in the USA. As for silently "turning the other cheek", that does not apply when we are confessing Christ and standing against evil. We used to call the Church in the present world, the "Church Militant" and the Church after Judgement as the "Church Triumphant". Funny...the modern clergy doesn't use those terms any more. Probably it's because they have surrendered and left the battlefield as the hirelings they are. Christians will be largely battling this alone, except for the help of God.


28 posted on 12/15/2004 4:16:33 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: 26lemoncharlie

Right - "Progressive".


29 posted on 12/15/2004 4:16:53 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: MadAnthony1776

Not really. This is about intimidation. Terrify christians with jail time and hugh fines, the vast majority will stay home. Not because of lack of belief, but the sheer damage this could do to the family. We might as well face the fact that the commie/fascist/socialist/ evil dums have decided to declare war on Christians ( and in the closet-Jews). And guess what they even have an army, called the Islamofascists.


30 posted on 12/15/2004 4:19:03 AM PST by marty60
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To: kittymyrib
We used to call the Church in the present world, the "Church Militant" and the Church after Judgement as the "Church Triumphant". Funny...the modern clergy doesn't use those terms any more.

Years ago many denominations removed “Onward, Christian soldiers” from hymnals because it was too militant. That should have been seen as an omen.
31 posted on 12/15/2004 4:19:27 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: R. Scott
Homosexuality is now an ethnicity?

It's passed on from generation to generation... If both parents are homosexual, then the children will be homosexual too.

Mark

/sarcasm

32 posted on 12/15/2004 4:21:55 AM PST by MarkL (Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. But it rocks absolutely, too!)
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To: 26lemoncharlie

The Socialists have been working toward this since 1960’s

http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."


33 posted on 12/15/2004 4:27:23 AM PST by Not a 60s Hippy (They are SOCIALISTS - not progressives, elitists, liberals, etc.)
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To: AngloSaxon

I read yesterday that the out-going Archbishop of the Church of England said that in the West it won't be long before Christians are forced underground. My sweet Jesus, it's happening faster than I'd ever thought.


34 posted on 12/15/2004 4:27:38 AM PST by queenkathy (Queen of Everything ( and more))
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To: mhking

Yes please ping me


35 posted on 12/15/2004 4:29:09 AM PST by queenkathy (Queen of Everything ( and more))
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To: AngloSaxon

Just damn!

How glad I am that I live in the UK where we don't have to put up with this sort of thing.

The USA is going to hell in a handbasket, thanks to all the lawyers and the ACLU.

In 100 years and they'll all be living in a Marxist state.

Shame really.

GOD BLESS THE UK

GOD BLESS THE QUEEN

AND GOD SAVE AMERICA


36 posted on 12/15/2004 4:30:51 AM PST by Le Bouledogue Britannique
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To: libfo

oh gosh it's too early in the morning for such that post to be playing in my head. ;) I'm a visual person. YUCK and double YUCK


37 posted on 12/15/2004 4:31:01 AM PST by queenkathy (Queen of Everything ( and more))
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To: R. Scott

Onward, Christian Soldiers,
Marching as to war,
With the Cross of Jesus,
Going on before!

Like a mighty army,
etc., etc.,

and that's all I remember.


38 posted on 12/15/2004 4:31:03 AM PST by jimtorr
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To: dzzrtrock

BTTT!


39 posted on 12/15/2004 4:34:54 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: dzzrtrock

According to the book Revelation, "you ain't seen nothing yet....." So many are being and will be decieved.


40 posted on 12/15/2004 4:35:02 AM PST by cbkaty
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To: jimtorr

Onward Christian soldiers, marching unto war. with the cross of Jesus going on before.
Like a mighty army going off to war. Forward into battle see the battle roar?
I think it's something like that. Long time since I sang that song but now it will be on my mind all day.


41 posted on 12/15/2004 4:37:28 AM PST by queenkathy (Queen of Everything ( and more))
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To: dzzrtrock

Yea, but we need some ideas on what to DO... are any state Christian groups planning counter-protests? We need ideas, not whining...


42 posted on 12/15/2004 4:43:24 AM PST by Kerfuffle
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To: Not a 60s Hippy

Very good information, Thanks!

We have continued to tuen our backs and neglect this festering problem. This "Nusance" that has been nipping away at our Society and Social Morals. Time we faced it straight up and LAID DOWN the LAW as we want the LAW LAID!! We don't ahve to accept these loopholes or this misinterpretation of our laws


43 posted on 12/15/2004 4:45:02 AM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Defending America)
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To: dzzrtrock
Hate Crime Laws:

Courtesy of the ADL (Anti-Defamation League)...

http://www.adl.org/99hatecrime/intro.asp
44 posted on 12/15/2004 4:45:09 AM PST by beanspiller
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To: tjwmason
You Americans should all run away to a free country like Merry England where religion really is free.

Except for the whole state religion thing.

BTW, what happens if the King or Queen decides to convert to Catholicism? Is he/she no longer head of the Church of England?
45 posted on 12/15/2004 4:49:06 AM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: dzzrtrock

what a Shame in the City that displays the Liberty Bell
with its' Biblical quote -the City that saw Old Ben Franklin remind his peers of that biblical Truth :Except the
Lord build the house they labor in vain that build it." And how he believed "we shall suceed no better than the Builders of Babel.(without Gods' concurring aid.) What a Shame that city that knew Wm.Penn who declared "man must be
Governed by God -or he will be governed by tyrants."What a
shame that City where James wilson taught on the Divine
origins of American Law --Woe to those who call evil good and good evil. That City has become as Gibeah(Judges chapters 19-21) led by men who do not rule in fear of God.


46 posted on 12/15/2004 4:51:33 AM PST by StonyBurk
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To: dzzrtrock; Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; RandallFlagg; ...
A video of the arrest, provided by the American Family Association's Center for Law & Policy can be seen here [Windows Media].
PING...
47 posted on 12/15/2004 4:52:40 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: kittymyrib
Christians better wake up and smell the coffee. These are the first shots in the coming persecution of Christians in the USA. As for silently "turning the other cheek", that does not apply when we are confessing Christ and standing against evil. We used to call the Church in the present world, the "Church Militant" and the Church after Judgement as the "Church Triumphant". Funny...the modern clergy doesn't use those terms any more. Probably it's because they have surrendered and left the battlefield as the hirelings they are. Christians will be largely battling this alone, except for the help of God.

Don't worry, I'm sure George Bush will be coming to your rescue...

LOL!!
48 posted on 12/15/2004 4:54:59 AM PST by beanspiller
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To: Le Bouledogue Britannique
How glad I am that I live in the UK where we don't have to put up with this sort of thing.

I like all the UK folks and all, but it seems they're coming out of the woodworks on this thread. Isn't the UK the place where Irish and Northern Irish (i.e., UK) people used to routinely beat, terrorize, blow up, firebomb, and shoot each other? And has a state religion?

The only reason that religion is free in the UK is because I'm sorry to say, you guys capitulated years ago. To quote the brilliant comedian Eddie Izzard, "Anglicanism is much more of a hobby these days, really." Let's face it, you guys have gay priests and Druid bishops. There's only freedom of religion there because no one cares and none of the religions is worth fighting for anymore.

When UK folks start protesting and becoming activists like American Christians are, and start teaching a more orthodox faith, you'll see the hammer get dropped there too.
49 posted on 12/15/2004 4:55:10 AM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: Conservatrix
Laws can be repealed or turned back if we get enough people concerned about this.
I hope people realize that this incident is against those Christians 1 st amendment rights.
50 posted on 12/15/2004 4:58:33 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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