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Jesus born in Bethlehem is news for many
The Telegraph ^ | December 15, 2004 | Jonatha Petre

Posted on 12/15/2004 10:50:47 AM PST by RKB-AFG

Jesus born in Bethlehem is news for many By Jonathan Petre, Religion Correspondent

The Telegraph

Nearly a third of Britons do not know that Jesus was born in Bethlehem, according to new research published yesterday.

A similar proportion is unaware that Jesus was Jewish or that the first man to make an appearance in the Bible is Adam. Fewer than two thirds could identify the special table normally found at the east end of a church as the altar.

But a striking 85 per cent knew that the event Christians believe occurred on the first Easter Day was the Resurrection.

The findings emerged in a survey which showed that younger people are more ignorant of the basic facts of Christianity than older ones, with the over 50-year-old group scoring the most highly.

The findings of the survey conducted by YouGov will underline the fears of many Church leaders that Britain is increasingly secular and can no longer be confidently described as Christian.


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1 posted on 12/15/2004 10:50:47 AM PST by RKB-AFG
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To: RKB-AFG

Wowee. That's pretty incredible. They really are pretty darn secular if supposed Christians can't even identify the basic facts surrounding Jesus Christ.

I'm stunned.


2 posted on 12/15/2004 10:53:12 AM PST by exnavychick (Just my two cents, as usual.)
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To: exnavychick

Worse than just secular -- they're plain bloody ignorant.


3 posted on 12/15/2004 10:56:05 AM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (Hurl the invective!)
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To: RKB-AFG

It will be that way HERE, too, if we don't
take steps to deter the inroads the ACLU
and other ultra-liberal groups are marking
in our schools.


4 posted on 12/15/2004 10:56:40 AM PST by Grendel9
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To: RKB-AFG

One must wonder to whom they implore to save their Queen when they sing their national anthem.


6 posted on 12/15/2004 10:58:19 AM PST by Chummy (Merry Christmas to all from Chummy and Family!)
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To: RKB-AFG

So, who wants to be a missionary to England?


7 posted on 12/15/2004 11:00:26 AM PST by AndyStevenson
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To: exnavychick

"Fewer than two thirds could identify the special table normally found at the east end of a church as the altar."

So 1/3 didn't know where Jesus was born , but almost 2/3'rds of them knew about this table thing? Does this mean we have to rearrange my church?


8 posted on 12/15/2004 11:00:43 AM PST by geopyg ("And the whiners will eventually move on to bitch about something else." (Donald Rumsfeld))
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To: RKB-AFG

That's about right. Easter is about 3X more important than Christmas.


9 posted on 12/15/2004 11:01:57 AM PST by DManA
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To: Grendel9
It will be that way HERE, too, if we don't take steps to deter the inroads the ACLU and other ultra-liberal groups are marking in our schools.

Bingo.

MM

10 posted on 12/15/2004 11:01:58 AM PST by MississippiMan (Americans should not be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.)
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To: RKB-AFG
Nearly a third of Britons do not know that Jesus was born in Bethlehem

I bet more than that can name everbody who claims to have "Known" Princess Di.

11 posted on 12/15/2004 11:04:03 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Grendel9
This has nothing to do with schools. This has everything to do with the elimination of the Bible in our lives. Churches are beginning to focus on feel-good praise music rather than educating church members about Christ. I see commercials for large churches all the time, not one of them mentioning Christ, but focusing on fellowship.

If we're going to be Christians, we need to understand and know the focus of the religion.

The same can be said about the ignorance of many American people when it comes to knowing basic historical and constitutional facts.

12 posted on 12/15/2004 11:05:05 AM PST by SaveTheChief ("It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech." - Senator Zell Miller)
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To: JackRyanCIA

Ah, thank you. That explains a lot.


13 posted on 12/15/2004 11:05:58 AM PST by exnavychick (Just my two cents, as usual.)
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To: RKB-AFG
But a striking 85 per cent knew that the event Christians believe occurred on the first Easter Day was the Resurrection.

At least the most important element of Christianity hasn't been forgotten.

14 posted on 12/15/2004 11:10:15 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: RKB-AFG; american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; ...
The findings of the survey conducted by YouGov will underline the fears of many Church leaders that Britain is increasingly secular and can no longer be confidently described as Christian.

In other words, the government can now point to the survey and justify the islamification of Great Britain.

Catholic Ping - please freepmail me if you want on/off this list


15 posted on 12/15/2004 11:21:20 AM PST by NYer ("Blessed be He who by His love has given life to all." - final prayer of St. Charbel)
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To: exnavychick

P.S. I like your handle...great character. :)


16 posted on 12/15/2004 11:31:07 AM PST by exnavychick (Just my two cents, as usual.)
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To: JackRyanCIA

No, trust me, I'm currently living in the south of England -- they ARE ignorant and the Anglican churchs are empty all the time while the CAtholic and Baptist churchs are brimming with people, families, children, young adults etc. even on weekdays. Most Anglicans go to church only for weddings and funerals


18 posted on 12/15/2004 11:39:59 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: seamole

Remember that Madam Tussauds recently potrayed Beckham as Joseph and Posh as the Virgin Mary


19 posted on 12/15/2004 11:41:28 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: seamole

But mostly England is a godless country where the young don't want to study either -- all they want to do is grow up to become celebrities. Pre-pubescent girls want to grow up to become 'glamour models' (a.k.a porn stars) like Jordan.


20 posted on 12/15/2004 11:42:26 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: AndyStevenson

My aunt, from Norway, was actually a missionary to England during the second world war. From the uniform she is wearing in a picture I have of her, it looks like she may have been in a Salvation Army type organization. My mom always said she was a missionary, though. Well, at least if we go to England, we will know the language!


21 posted on 12/15/2004 11:42:29 AM PST by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: AndyStevenson
So, who wants to be a missionary to England?

I'd do it in a heartbeat, if I was called.

22 posted on 12/15/2004 11:42:38 AM PST by Terabitten (Alpha Male of the Free Republic wolfpack)
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To: SaveTheChief

We have praise music in our church but the main focus always is Jesus. Our pastors preach the kinds of sermons that sometimes make you squirm. They're the best kind because it lets you know that something isn't right in your life. Now, what to do about it.....


23 posted on 12/15/2004 11:44:13 AM PST by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: RKB-AFG

You may all disagree with me, and I have no special expertise in this field, but I don't think one has to accept the Nativity stories of 2 of the Gospels (e.g., Bethlehem) to be a believing Christian.


24 posted on 12/15/2004 12:11:18 PM PST by DWPittelli
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To: RKB-AFG

You sure its not Cincinatti?


25 posted on 12/15/2004 12:12:30 PM PST by woofie
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To: DManA

Historically or theologically? ... If He was never born then the second event would not have taken place.


26 posted on 12/15/2004 12:16:45 PM PST by dartuser (Many people think that questioning Darwinian evolution must be equivalent to espousing creationism.)
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To: woofie

I think Mary was going to Cincinatti, but Jerry Springer and Dennis Kucinich ran them off.


27 posted on 12/15/2004 8:59:52 PM PST by RKB-AFG (W 2004)
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To: DManA

Yeah, but we have to have Christmas before we have Easter.

He needs to be born, you know!


28 posted on 12/15/2004 9:13:56 PM PST by It's me
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To: seamole

Well, nobody can bend it like 'im....


29 posted on 12/16/2004 10:42:03 AM PST by Chummy (Merry Christmas to all from Chummy and Family!)
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To: AndyStevenson

Way ahead of you. My church has sent missionaries to England.


30 posted on 12/16/2004 10:50:00 AM PST by LTCJ
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