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Intel Acquires Chip Designers From HP
The Associated Press ^ | Dec 15, 2004 | Matthew Fordahl

Posted on 12/15/2004 6:44:58 PM PST by BenLurkin

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To: Yossarian

Do you like threads?


21 posted on 12/15/2004 7:41:44 PM PST by krb (TANSTAAFB)
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To: krb
Sure I like threads! Girls often tell me I wear nice threads! :-)

Oh, those kind...to be honest, I'm so busy down at the physical level of the chip, I don't have much opinion on some architecture issues these days. Life at ultra-deep submicron keeps me busy enough... :-(

22 posted on 12/15/2004 7:46:57 PM PST by Yossarian (Remember: NOT ALL HEART ATTACKS HAVE TRADITIONAL SYMPTOMS)
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To: Yossarian

A big blue monster?


23 posted on 12/15/2004 7:49:36 PM PST by Straight Vermonter (Liberalism: The irrational fear of self reliance.)
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To: Yossarian

Bump !!


24 posted on 12/15/2004 7:53:11 PM PST by jokar (On line data base http://www.trackingthethreat.com/db/index.htm)
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To: Yossarian

Spoilsport. Does it have intials that stand for "I've Been Mugged"? ;)


25 posted on 12/15/2004 7:59:44 PM PST by general_re ("What's plausible to you is unimportant." - D'man)
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To: Straight Vermonter

Howdy Cuz!


26 posted on 12/15/2004 8:12:06 PM PST by Yossarian (Remember: NOT ALL HEART ATTACKS HAVE TRADITIONAL SYMPTOMS)
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To: Yossarian

LOL I am sitting in my big blue cubicle even now.


27 posted on 12/15/2004 8:16:13 PM PST by Straight Vermonter (Liberalism: The irrational fear of self reliance.)
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To: Straight Vermonter
Me too - and the lights keep on going out, unless I move a lot. God I hate pre-Holiday get-it-done-before-everyone-leaves-on-vacation deadlines!

If you're in Vermont, it's time to go home!

If you can give me a clue to your ID, I can verify you on Blue Pages, and maybe tell you a little about what we're doing.

28 posted on 12/15/2004 8:20:10 PM PST by Yossarian (Remember: NOT ALL HEART ATTACKS HAVE TRADITIONAL SYMPTOMS)
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To: Yossarian

You have freep mail.


29 posted on 12/15/2004 8:23:29 PM PST by Straight Vermonter (Liberalism: The irrational fear of self reliance.)
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To: Yossarian
Why? Because all those 64-bit pathways make the chip bigger, and bigger chips are slower chips.

I think AMD did very well with its 64-bit extensions to the x86 ISA. IBM also did well with its PPC 970 chip that's designed from scratch to do 32- and 64-bit natively with no performance hit in either mode. The Itanium is a different monster, a 64-bit chip that has to run 32-bit code in emulation -- a disaster when general computing is still mostly 32-bit (although they do well in supercomputers).

30 posted on 12/28/2004 10:45:32 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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It's not the address space that interests me, it's the 64-bit registers I would like to be able to use.

Also, the AMD 64 chips give you double the number of general purpose registers when in 64-bit mode, up to 16 (plus eight 128-bit XMM/SSE registers). I remember the Unreal Tournament developers saying that this alone gave them a huge jump in speed.

31 posted on 12/28/2004 11:04:27 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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Why? Because all those 64-bit pathways make the chip bigger, and bigger chips are slower chips.

I think AMD did very well with its 64-bit extensions to the x86 ISA.

Ah, you're talking about architectual issues, and I'm talking about physical issues.

Just imagine a nice medium size burg. Then imagine it, if all the roads and paths were made with double the width. Assuming that the lot sizes were the same, the town would grow, would it not?

And when you are driving your car at the same speed as before (i.e. the limits of physics), it takes you longer to go from one corner of the bigger town to the other corner, right?

It's the same way in chips, especially if they are constrained not by block size, but by wiring considerations. And of course, those blocks are going to grow in size, because now they have to process 64 bits, not 32 - some will double in size.

Now, the fabs do nice things like give us physical designers more layers to play with, and if we lay out things nicely, we minimize the cost of these double-wide bit lanes. But bigger they are, and bigger = lower frequency.

On the other hand, now you can gain some speed back by taking advantage of 64 bit calculations in your OS and applications. So in some cases it's a wash, or if 64-bit calcs really speed things, up, a win. But it still has lower frequency than a smaller design.

32 posted on 12/28/2004 12:08:36 PM PST by Yossarian (Remember: NOT ALL HEART ATTACKS HAVE TRADITIONAL SYMPTOMS)
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To: Yossarian
And when you are driving your car at the same speed as before (i.e. the limits of physics), it takes you longer to go from one corner of the bigger town to the other corner, right?

Then I guess it's nice that going to 64 is usually accompanied by a process shrink. Moore just said we could double the transistors. He didn't necessarily say what we had to do with those transistors: use the same amount and get more yield per wafer (and often more clock speed), or grow the number of transistors we use per chip to get more abilities with the same yield.

So this time you lose some clock in favor of abilities. It's a good tradeoff for those who want it.

33 posted on 01/02/2005 9:56:57 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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