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So you were going to whip out the general welfare clause? If so, I rest my case.

Let me try to illustrate by way of example. Communist believe in the common ownership of the means of production. If you say you are a Communist, but you do not believe in the common ownership of the means of production, instead you just believe in heavy government regulation of the private economy, then you really are not a Communist. You can jump up and down and stamp your feet and insist over and over you are a Communist, but if you don't believe certain threshold principles you are not. Same thing goes for real conservatism. If you believe the right of the government to redistribute wealth in welfare schemes is somehow enshrined in the general welfare clause, then you are not a real conservative. And no amount of protesting or screaming or questioning how educated I am will change that.

Orwell said that freedom is the right to say 2+2=4. (Paraphrase.) Well 2+2=4. And Social Democracy = Social Democracy. 2+2 does not equal 5 and Social Democracy does not and will never equal conservatism, and no amount of brainwashing by the "mainstream conservative" establishment will ever change that.

And how can you say us hard core folks think we own the place. We are the minority here. And the mainstreamers are the ones always calling us names and making fun and questioning people's education, etc. etc. etc. I never call names, and I am always polite. I just point out inconvenient little ideological facts.